Vector based magnet motor idea

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Some further thaugts:

The more the seesaw generator is loaded the less it will seesaw. Ideally the seesaw should stop completely by short circuit the coils. However it WILL generate energy, but the question remains if the energy is more or less than that is required to run the disc... Maybe my whish is too strong, so I get blind - that has happen to me before

Again thanks for all "counterforced" feedback (Even if I try to explane them away )

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[A author=Lilhawk link=topic=9028.msg237047#msg237047 date=1270862053]
did a little experiment with some magnets and it confirms (to me)  that there will be a counter force added to the disc
addition of second disc to help...will balance the system...at every point...no OU.

I'm getting lazy here ...i usually add diagrams to show my points

lets put a number to this say... +25lbs of pull between red(lowseesawside) and blue(disc)...to break this and let the seesaw go up u will need ...half of red to be under the seesaw(-12.5 lbs) and half the blue as well (+12.5) ...but there is no way to get magnets to that position without adding counter forces to the horizontal disc axis.
[/quote]I did som e experiments too. I placed a lots of small neomagnets n-s-n-s-n-s-n-s..etc around a round housing that belongs to an old electric motor. The housing is magnetic steel, and there is a ballbearing in the shaft that have very low friction. Now, I had a magnet in my hand also, and tried to break the spin with it by approaching the rotating housing with all the magnets on it. It seems that the harder I hold the handheld magnet, the less it will viberate accordingly to the shifting polarity on the rotor, the longer the rotor take to stop. If I loosen up a bit, and let the magnet in my hand viberate more, the spinning breaks down faster.

Anyway, if anyone didn't understand the explanation, the bottom line is that the more the seesaw are free to move, the more it will break the rotation of the disc magnet. That is not because the seesaw magnet doesn't have the same distance to the disc magnet in repelling mode and attraction mode, but rather that the force applied between the seesaw and the disc isn't 90 degrees. That again is because there is a mass in the seesaw that does not respond instantly, but is delayed due to inertia. This means the more the seesaw are free to move, the more counterforceed the disc magnet is.

So inertia was the problem here. But what do you guys think if I put a spring on the seesaw and make a resonant system that is oscillating between inertia and tension at a given resonant frequency? Will then the seesaw idea here work better?

Vidar

[TechStuf]

Steven Kundel has worked for several years with concepts which seem quite similar to your own.

http://www.kundelmagnetics.com/

Perhaps you could establish a productive dialogue.


TS

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Thanks TechStuf. I will contact him shortly. I think we are on the same track. I have seen his videos .

I have been thinking on the inertia thing with the seesaw generator. I suddenly though about mass versus magnetic force. I am a bit comfused now what force REALLY stops the disc magnet so quick when the seesaw can have max amplitude. Is it magnetism or inertia of the seesaw weight put into motion - or maybe both? It gave me a little more hope that this will be one approach to OU.

Vidar