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Vector based magnet motor idea

Started by Low-Q, April 09, 2010, 04:29:17 PM

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Lilhawk

did a little experiment with some magnets and it confirms (to me)  that there will be a counter force added to the disc
addition of second disc to help...will balance the system...at every point...no OU.

I'm getting lazy here ...i usually add diagrams to show my points

lets put a number to this say... +25lbs of pull between red(lowseesawside) and blue(disc)...to break this and let the seesaw go up u will need ...half of red to be under the seesaw(-12.5 lbs) and half the blue as well (+12.5) ...but there is no way to get magnets to that position without adding counter forces to the horizontal disc axis.

Lilhawk

Rap....LowQ is saying with this design that the up and down of the seesaw has no effect on the disc .....so it would take hardly any energy to turn it...sorta like a cogfree generator, the extra energy would be in the seesaw action.

Rapadura

So the idea is to use an electric motor to rotate the disc?  ???

Sorry if I can't get the idea...

Low-Q

The energy required to make red part to escape from the seesaw was gained when the red was going IN TOWARDS the seesaw. These forces are perfectly equal and cancels out - no matter how hard it is to escape. The energy required to turn the disc will therefore be zero - even if cogging will occour. Cogging isn't loss, but a none linear force per distance. The energy induced in the coil will run the disc by using the AC pulses from the coils which ofcourse is automaticly syncronized. The placement of drive coils must be timed to make the rotation ofcourse. The motor to turn the disc is not displayed. I will make a drawing soon. And explain further. Thanks for all input so far.

Low-Q

Here is a new drawing of the motor which runs the disc magnets. If I am right about the zero energy needed to rotate the discs, there will be no, or very little, back EMF from the drive coils back to the generator coils. So the generator coils can supply the motor with the small amount needed to make a selfrunner.
All this said, I cannot claim OU, but I cannot see where the fault should be.

In the picture below I have tried to think correctly, but even if the drawing shouldn't be correct according to the AC voltage generated versus the motor magnets and motor coil configuration, I hope you see the picture of my thoughts. Remember the seesaw magnet will pass the generator coil twice for each revolution if the disc magnet :)

Vidar