Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[Omnibus]

That would be true as long as we have the technology. Just building something doesn't mean we have it. There are strict scientific requirements to determine its reality and that's not the market, individual or dominant, that determines it. OU will win if those who have succeeded make it so that thousands of replicators produce it just to show that is works, not for the purposes of selling it to anybody. That's the only way to put the powers that be in the corner -- by not playing their market game (market belongs to them 100%) but by overwhelming them with facts they can't deny and suppress.

[the badger]

To the gentlemen who are working on this project I say this. Keep doing what you are doing. Don't waste your time and energy on all the calorimetric testing, university crap just to satisfy people on this forum. If they want that done then tell them to get off their butts and do it themselves. They obviously have time to do it as they spend hours typing on this forum. Just use what you have and refine it. Keeping it a cheap backyard experiment will ensure that others will be able to afford to replicate it. Once it is working good share it with us. The governments and oil companies will ensure that this never becomes a commercial success. Hard to suppress it if everyone is building their own.

[vrand]

Of course, that's the case. We are arguing about the method of establishing the new truth and I'm saying market isn't the criterion. There are firmly established scientific criteria for establishing novelty in science let alone novelty of such significance as the one we're discussing. Market, products and the like should be left alone for the time being and focus should be on the scientific research and its criteria to find out if what's being claimed is real.

We have already established that to do the research will cost lots of money that is not currently available.

How does one get funds to do the research?
1. Sell products.
2. Ask for free money from someone.
3. Save funds from your "day job."

#1 above is the quickest way to get funds, ask Microsoft how they did it 
#2 is difficult in this recession economy.
#3 can take months to years to save enough funds.

[Omnibus]

To the gentlemen who are working on this project I say this. Keep doing what you are doing. Don't waste your time and energy on all the calorimetric testing, university crap just to satisfy people on this forum. If they want that done then tell them to get off their butts and do it themselves. They obviously have time to do it as they spend hours typing on this forum. Just use what you have and refine it. Keeping it a cheap backyard experiment will ensure that others will be able to afford to replicate it. Once it is working good share it with us. The governments and oil companies will ensure that this never becomes a commercial success. Hard to suppress it if everyone is building their own.

Everyone here, even those with a lot of time on their hands, agreed that having a reproducible, stable self-sustaining device is the best thing to happen. It hasn't happened yet, unfortunately. Now, what do we do if a self-sustaining device isn't achieved by the gentlemen, then what do we do? Shall we abandon the experiments or we should do calorimetric measurements and should study this further to understand if it's a real phenomenon or not? What do we do in such a case?

[Omnibus]

We have already established that to do the research will cost lots of money that is not currently available.

How does one get funds to do the research?
1. Sell products.
2. Ask for free money from someone.
3. Save funds from your "day job."

#1 above is the quickest way to get funds, ask Microsoft how they did it 
#2 is difficult in this recession economy.
#3 can take months to years to save enough funds.

Microsoft isn't a good example. Theirs was already known to be real -- they (Gates and Allen) were even employed by someone in Albuquerque who was already selling desktop computers with an operating system prior to any Microsoft in the horizon. Here we don't have any tangible marketable product made let alone convincing scientific proof for most of the claims.

The only way is to use your own money. If you can't afford it, too bad. We're living in a cruel world if you haven't noticed it. This is a very specific area of research and if you don't know and/or don't have the inclination to finagle (to spare the word lie) with investors giving them the impression there will (soon) be a product that will change the world and in the meantime they will get a return on their investment, forget that way of funding. Governmental funding you might as well forget about form the get go. I wonder if you remember Gene, Ed Storms and Randy appearing before congress and that hot fusion person making faces behind their back. Forget it. Use your own money, no other way.