Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[vrand]

See, one of their simpler cells A for over a thousand dollars. That's expensive if one is to only explore their claim. At least there should be a good reason to do so. So far I don't see one in strictly scientific terms. Just a video with claims for self-sustaining run isn't enough. We've seen a lot of videos. Where will we end up if we're to buy  for a thousand dollars the equipment shown in every video?

Yes, the cost to do this experiment is around $2750 = $2225 (3) Anton cells (1650 euro x 1.35) + $250 genset + $250 misc. costs such as shipping, taxes etc.

So for 1000 watts genset output it would cost around $2.75 per watt.  That is a okay cost and competes well with solar panels at $2/watt.

Still unknown:
- Do they sand treat the plate surfaces? 
- Do they condition the plates in NaHO or KOH?
- Distilled or RO water used?
- What type of stainless steel they are using, 304L, 316L, 317L ?   

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Anton

â,¬ 550.00
including VAT
excluding shipping costs

The simple Anton consists of 10 chambers (11 electrodes made of a particularly high-quality stainless steel alloy, Size: 300mm x 150mm).
The multi-functional separation elements are more than just simple Seals:
From the extremely robust high-tech material Viton ® for injection molding manufacture,
give it to the stack Anton equally tailor stability and high reliability.
The outer plates are made of sturdy molded polycarbonate.
This simple kit Anton is 12 volts or 24 volts operating voltage design (2 x 5 chambers).
The dimensions of the finished kit:
Width: 350 mm, height: 225mm, Depth: 65mm.
Active electrolysis area: 9000 cm ² (= 0.9 m²)
For the operation of about 150 watts per liter of gas are required per minute.
In normal operations about 3.5 liters of gas per minute can be produced.
Short term by increased electrical power can be produced more gas.

Delivery:
Two plexiglass cover plates including connection nipples for water and gas
11 stainless steel plates (electrodes)
12 multi-functional separation elements made of Viton

[Omnibus]

I think they said they're using three Anton cells filled with 3% KOH. So, that's more than $2000. Pretreatment, conditioning etc. will also be revealed, I guess, since they stated that's an open source project. The volts and amps are seen in the video -- 11-12V and 25-60A, something on that order. It's important to understand also exactly how they prepare the non-stoichiometric mixture from the inevitably stoichiometric during the electrolysis (unless some new phenomenon is at play here causing it to be non-stoichiometric even during electrolysis).

I don't think it has reached a stage to use it at your home so I won't make such calculations. The cost I'm interested in is solely in terms of purely research purposes.

[vrand]

Anton

â,¬ 550.00
including VAT
excluding shipping costs

The A Anton consists of 10 chambers (11 electrodes made of a particularly high-quality stainless steel alloy, Size: 300mm x 150mm).
The multi-functional separation elements are more than just simple Seals:
From the extremely robust high-tech material Viton ® for injection molding manufacture,
give it to the stack Anton equally tailor stability and high reliability.
The outer plates are made of sturdy molded polycarbonate.
This simple kit Anton is 12 volts or 24 volts operating voltage design (2 x 5 chambers).
The dimensions of the finished kit:
Width: 350 mm, height: 225mm, Depth: 65mm.
Active electrolysis area: 9000 cm ² (= 0.9 m²)
For the operation of about 150 watts per liter of gas are required per minute.
In normal operations about 3.5 liters of gas per minute can be produced.
Short term by increased electrical power can be produced more gas.

Watt/hr. per Liter calc:
150 watts/L x 3.5L/min. = 525 watts for 3.5L/min.
3.5L/min. x 60 min./hr. = 210L/hr.
525 watts/210L/hr. = 2.5 Wh/L

The Anton cell at 2.5 Wh/L is lower electrical energy input into the cells than the Eagle Research unit at 3 Wh/L.  

[Cap-Z-ro]

I have to wonder if the high frequency pulsing and sharp spikes of the joule thief be useful in powering the Anton device.

Regards...

[vrand]

I think they said they're using three Anton cells filled with 3% KOH. So, that's more than $2000. Pretreatment, conditioning etc. will also be revealed, I guess, since they stated that's an open source project. The volts and amps are seen in the video -- 11-12V and 25-60A, something on that order. It's important to understand also exactly how they prepare the non-stoichiometric mixture from the inevitably stoichiometric during the A (unless some new phenomenon is at play here causing it to be non-stoichiometric even during electrolysis).

I don't think it has reached a stage to use it at your home so I won't make such calculations. The cost I'm interested in is solely in terms of purely A purposes.

Interesting design points of the Anton Cell:
- The top hole gas space where the gases are collected, there is still some plate area ABOVE the gas space.
- The plate area above the gases has the same current/voltage as below the gases in the water. Maybe the HHO gases are being energized to a higher energy level?!
- Maybe the H & O electrons are being stripped from the HHO gas?  This would raise the atomic H & O atoms to a higher energy level.
- Depending on the water used, natural water has up to 15% Nitrogen gas in water.
- Maybe the Nitrogen in the cell water is also electrolyzed with the HHO and energized by the plate area above the gas hole to create NH3 ammonia? 

The HHO gas is typically made up of atomic Hydrogen & Oxygen atoms that will want to recombined to liquid water as soon as possible (this will release energy). So the need to use them and ignite inside the engine as fast as possible (to use all the energy to push down the piston) works good for "on-demand" HHO production and the no need for storage of the HHO.

The steel plate area space above the gas port is the first time I have seen done, with the "dry cell" designs out in the market.  Maybe something special is happening in there.