Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[Alchemist]

ok, so we're back to how it was when it all started... where the "breakthrough" then?
am i missing something? isnt this just the cell as basic as it gets?

[froarty]

I think we may be observing the same sort of fractional hydrogen claimed by Mills at Black Light  Power, George Miley and Arata. all essentially "shrunken hydrogen" that releases anomalous amounts of energy. This may be most similar to those theories of bubble fusion  based on Casimir effect but instead of the liquid electrolyte representing the shielding enclosure here small conductive pockets of gas enclose atomic hydrogen.
As the "containment cloud" is compressed by the piston the Casimir force increases at the inverse of the distance between the sides of the containment cloud cubed. This is where Mills coined the phrase hydrino but Miley uses dense deuterium and others call it fractional hydrogen. It is still controversial whether the orbitals are sub ground state or
more likely a relativistic perspective where these atoms translate to a different inertial frame. There are even researchers directly investigationg something called SPICE which is almost exactly what the Anton cell is claiming to have accomplished. I don't know the theory behind SPICE it is being researched by a company called CHAVRA and they are not publishing much beyond their goals at this point.

My best guess at what is occuring here is that they are forming fractional hydrogen in the cylinder. nano pockets of nonconductive gas are enveloped by the HHO gas injected into the cylinder forming a gaseous equivalent of a bubble similar to bubble fusion. The conductive meniscui of the bubles exert a Casimir force on any atoms trapped in the nano pocket. As the piston compresses the gas cloud and bubbles the Casimir force sky rockets inverse to the width of the pocket cubed. There are numerous theories regarding how these fractional atoms can deliver free energy based
on their shrunken orbitals. My pet theory is the translation will be equal in both directions for an atom but if a a molecule forms from translated atoms it will resist translating between inertial frames and essentially oscillate between H1 and H2 courtesy of Casimir force which will break the molecule and restore the atoms to monatomic levels as the compression changes the value of the force.

The piston provides the abrupt changes in Casimir force to disassociate the molecules while nature requires they try to form molecules and fall to a lower energy state.
This compares to The heat Black Light Power pumps into their reactor of Rayney nickel except the resulting runaway heat in this case has a couple built in safety
mechanisms compared to Rayney nickel, for one the cavities are transitory so
there is no permanent cavity to destroy, and, two the piston allows the plasma
and combustible portion of gas to expand and cool. My conclusion is that the Anton
cell isn't as important as the feed method to their generator.

http://www.byzipp.com/animaTime.htm

[vrand]

Anton is selling only the electrolyser cells right now...not the entire
system. So they only *have to* show unity electrolysis gain
to be guilty of selling quality hardware. This is the correct approach,
to now let those who claim the "overunity lies in the power supply" to
prove that, and that could easily be done using the Anton cells as
electrolyser. Unless tubular or carbon electrode electrolyser cells are
a requirement?

The Anton cell looks to be overunity (OU) in the HHO gas Quality and not the gas Quantity produced.

Confirmation by other researchers is needed to verify this energy breakthrough.

Bob's introduction of the toroid power supply sure made the device much
harder to technologically produce and introduces much uncertainty into
where the overunity energy actually came from...It may have simply
produced more hydrogen that way.

Bob Boyce's 101 plate series cell design was used to convert his special OU toroid energy output to create OU HHO gas at resonance.  To date no researcher has published or shown a video of a Boyce cell operating at resonance.

Some researchers tried using a Boyce 101 plate design, in non-resonace mode at 15-17 LPM, to fuel a genset while powering a load and the cell unit, without sucess.

@All

I don't understand why the electrolyser or engine would be more efficient
when they are operating at idle. If the engine is burning water vapor or
engine oil that might explain the situation.

:MarkSCoffman

Regards, Mike R.

[vrand]

I think we may be observing the same sort of fractional hydrogen claimed by Mills at Black Light  Power, George Miley and Arata. all essentially "shrunken hydrogen" that releases anomalous amounts of energy. This may be most similar to those theories of bubble fusion  based on Casimir effect but instead of the liquid electrolyte representing the shielding enclosure here small conductive pockets of gas enclose atomic hydrogen.
As the "containment cloud" is compressed by the piston the Casimir force increases at the inverse of the distance between the sides of the containment cloud cubed. This is where Mills coined the phrase hydrino but Miley uses dense deuterium and others call it fractional hydrogen. It is still controversial whether the orbitals are sub ground state or
more likely a relativistic perspective where these atoms translate to a different inertial frame. There are even researchers directly investigationg something called SPICE which is almost exactly what the Anton cell is claiming to have accomplished. I don't know the theory behind SPICE it is being researched by a company called CHAVRA and they are not publishing much beyond their goals at this point.

My best guess at what is occuring here is that they are forming fractional hydrogen in the cylinder. nano pockets of nonconductive gas are enveloped by the HHO gas injected into the cylinder forming a gaseous equivalent of a bubble similar to bubble fusion. The conductive meniscui of the bubles exert a Casimir force on any atoms trapped in the nano pocket. As the piston compresses the gas cloud and bubbles the Casimir force sky rockets inverse to the width of the pocket cubed. There are numerous theories regarding how these fractional atoms can deliver free energy based
on their shrunken orbitals. My pet theory is the translation will be equal in both directions for an atom but if a a molecule forms from translated atoms it will resist translating between inertial frames and essentially oscillate between H1 and H2 courtesy of Casimir force which will break the molecule and restore the atoms to monatomic levels as the compression changes the value of the force.

The piston provides the abrupt changes in Casimir force to disassociate the molecules while nature requires they try to form molecules and fall to a lower energy state.
This compares to The heat Black Light Power pumps into their reactor of Rayney nickel except the resulting runaway heat in this case has a couple built in safety
mechanisms compared to Rayney nickel, for one the cavities are transitory so
there is no permanent cavity to destroy, and, two the piston allows the plasma
and combustible portion of gas to expand and cool. My conclusion is that the Anton
cell isn't as important as the feed method to their generator.

http://www.byzipp.com/animaTime.htm

A very interesting theory, thank you!

So the engine piston compression is part of the requirement in the overunity energy output of the Anton cell HHO gases when used with the genset.  Interesting 

Regards, Mike R.

[markdansie]

@Mike R
you talk with som authority and some of yur ideas are interesting.
When you quote Bob Boyce..I am wondering if you ever met him/ I have and he was kind enough to let me stay for a night. He is a wonderful man.
I wonder why you suggest that the Anton cell is OU when other constructed exactly the same are not? How can you come to this conclusion. They have a good cell based on sommething that bob designed many years ago.
Mark