Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[Omnibus]

Mind you this, even in the unlikely possibility that the nitrogen or some other component of the air has something to do with the useful burning (and that that hydrogen itself isn't the fuel, as the normal understanding of what goes on is), a proof that the current efficiency of electrolysis is as expected will make this project not more interesting as a concept that those clocks working for over a century without winding due to the daily temperature or pressure differences. That isn't OU and is of only limited practical interest, having nothing to do with the OU revolution many of us here are considering. Same applies to the thermal efficiency of the mixture. Thus, if the significance of this project is to be assessed scientifically and not only in narrow utilitarian terms such studies are a must. Thus, if all is as expected during the electrolysis (never mind what happens later when the mixture is formed) that won't be a self-sustaining device in the sense of an OU effect even in the best outcome, even with load working for hours in a closed fashion.

[vrand]

Mind you this, even in the unlikely possibility that the nitrogen or some other component of the air has something to do with the useful burning (and that that hydrogen itself isn't the fuel, as the normal understanding of what goes on is), a proof that the current efficiency of electrolysis is as expected will make this project not more interesting as a concept that those clocks working for over a century without winding due to the daily temperature or pressure differences. That isn't OU and is of only limited practical interest, having nothing to do with the OU revolution many of us here are considering. Same applies to the thermal efficiency of the mixture. Thus, if the significance of this project is to be assessed scientifically and not only in narrow utilitarian terms such studies are a must. Thus, if all is as expected during the electrolysis (never mind what happens later when the mixture is formed) that won't be a self-sustaining device in the sense of an OU effect even in the best outcome, even with load working for hours in a closed fashion.

It is not a simple process of determining Faraday efficiency of the Anton cell that would explain away that they can run the engine with a 1000 watt load and the cell only needs 800-900 watts to generate the HHO gas.  There is more happening inside the engine combustion chamber with HHO + N2 + O2 that we do not know yet.  An exhaust gas analyzer would help 

By all means let them calculate what is the Faraday efficiency of the Anton cell output to input, that should be easy.

My concern was that they go off and redesign an internal combustion engine, as that can take months to do.

Regards, Mike R.

[sushimoto]

Hi,

please keep in mind, that we are NOT talking about "Overunity" but Efficency instead.
What has been archived ist not an quantitative "breakthrough" in Terms of simple LPM
or calorimetric value, but a qualitative one. Its easy to burn the gas and "measure" ist calorimetric energy, but what we need is some gas chromatography in order to
find out the "mixture by accident".

Maybe it not a good idea to make another video of 30 minutes,
because nobody can be sure to find the right mixture of Urea, Air, Acetone, citric acid,
acetic acid and everything else that was testet and pbly. remained in the cells.

The setup should maybe not be sacrefied just to make another fancy youtube?

best regards,
Oliver

[Rapadura]

If you are using electricity to make electrolisys, and using the product of the electrolisys to generate electricity, then the only "Efficency" that matters is Overunity.

If you spend more electricity to make electrolisys than the electricity you can generate with the product of that electrolisys, than it has nothing special. You will only be spending electricity from the grid, electricity that was generated by coal power plants.

But the self-run of the system during that 40 seconds is an indication of possible overunity. A longer run can prove that. But, if you are not interested in that, OK. It's your device. You do what you want with it.

[helmut]

If i read all the coments and think it over. I just scatch my head
and ask myselve,   what is going on in this community.

There is a presentation.
No connection to any grid.
The generator feeds the transformer.
The Transformer feeds the Anton and the Anton feeds the Generator
and so on.  Thats the proof!
Switch of the transformer, cause the Engine after 4-5 Seconds to die.
So at least 35 seconds water only, was the fuel.
The next step will be to build a exhaust to minimise the sound level.
And find a efficient way to control the Sparc timing and the air mixture.
The loop wil be closed . When the Exhaust guides the Water and air
direct into the Anton.

helmut