This device is the real self-running overunity?

[Sprocket]

For the record, though I had no magnets with a hole in them for my rotor, I improvised a bit, using 2 tacks on either side of 40mm N42 neos, both held in place with glue & a circle of aluminium (from a beer can!) - rough-and-ready but it worked.

My 'replication' is unworthy of the name as there's no magnetic bearings and my shaft & rotor magnet supports are iron-based, but thought it worth a shot!  Nothing exciting to report.  My 'coil' was just a reel of 0.27mm enamelled copper wire. (95 Ohms, 125mH)  My motor is a small 12V DC 5:1 ratio, sacrificing revs for torque.  (rated 995 rpm no load, about 200 loaded)  Full-wave rectification from coil at a few 100 rpms yields a paltry 5V, just enough to power a flickering led.  Seeing as 'he' (sorry can never recall his odd user-name) was generating over 25V, his setup must be well over 1000 rpm.  So no magic to be see...

Yep, I think magnetic bearings are the way to go and I need to order some ring-magnets if I want to play some more 'cos nothing I have is suitable...

[scotty1]

Hi all.
I have done some tests with my setup and I noticed that when I put a brake on the rotor to slow it down the magnets will spin in the direction of the rotor, so it seems that any Lenz on the rotor would do the same and the magnets will not rotate.

The coil will act on the magnet and cause the rotor to slow, and the slowing of the rotor causes the magnets to spin, but in the direction of the rotor and not against it.

So if the coil did try to push the magnet back, the slowing of the rotor would send a force to spin the magnet ahead, so again I saw a stalemate.

The magnet spins because it has mass, so even on a mag bearing it would still spin in the direction of the rotor as the rotor slowed due to any external forces.

Something else I wonder about.
In one clip he shows a light and resistor as a load.
I'm sure that light is a neon with an 82v strike rating.
In my book the resistor is 270k in series with the neon, at 240v operation.
So in the U.S it is different but you can see what I mean....they need 82v to make light.
Does he use a stepdown transformer?
Scotty.

[markdansie]

@ scotty & everyone.
Thanks for sharing your results.
I am looking at taking a step backwards to the original design where it di self run without a battery.
I wrote to the inventor who confirmed hat was the self running one and did so for more than an hour. They left it running when they went to bed and it self destructed.
With the following video's appart from the effects I saw a lot of problems making any conclusions given the measuring. You need a scope and someone who really knows what they are doing. If you remember Winsoli (who I have a lot of time for) when we did the measurements with a scope we found that what he acieved at that stage was actually due to some mis measurement or miscalculations. I am not sure what he has nowday.
So what I hope to do is go back to the basics of the sef runner without the battery. if that could be demonstarted or recreated then we really have something.
So its back to video one for me...one step back for hopefully a few steps forward.
Mark

[gotoluc]

Hi all.
I have done some tests with my setup and I noticed that when I put a brake on the rotor to slow it down the magnets will spin in the direction of the rotor, so it seems that any Lenz on the rotor would do the same and the magnets will not rotate.

The coil will act on the magnet and cause the rotor to slow, and the slowing of the rotor causes the magnets to spin, but in the direction of the rotor and not against it.

So if the coil did try to push the magnet back, the slowing of the rotor would send a force to spin the magnet ahead, so again I saw a stalemate.

The magnet spins because it has mass, so even on a mag bearing it would still spin in the direction of the rotor as the rotor slowed due to any external forces.

Something else I wonder about.
In one clip he shows a light and resistor as a load.
I'm sure that light is a neon with an 82v strike rating.
In my book the resistor is 270k in series with the neon, at 240v operation.
So in the U.S it is different but you can see what I mean....they need 82v to make light.
Does he use a stepdown transformer?
Scotty.

Hi Scotty,

I've been in the background reading the development of this topic.

Great work on all your tests and thanks for sharing the results.

I agree with you that the bulb load seems to be a Neon which would indicate a voltage of 80 volts or more.

I also noticed in the self runner video that he has a wall wart step down transformer on the floor.

Luc

[gauschor]

Wendell Ray Walker has written me a very long email (including covering some basics which is nice to have for beginners in this matter) which I would like to share with you for further investigation. He also answers previous question on what exactly happens when the magnet passes the coil (starting in the middle of the text somewhere):

Thank you so much for doing a little research. I'm sure you must  be wondering why I must want you to. Because I needed you to understand  that to someone looking at this simple machine I can totally see why the  complex science that's behind it would not be apparent. To someone knowledgeable and educated it would seem "toy-like". But  it's simply not. 
           
          People see a picture of even a hydrogen atom and they think "well how  simple is this thing"? I understand it fully. Neutrons', protons, and  electrons. So they move on to something more complex in electronics. But  understanding atomic structure and especially electron flow, otherwise  known as a "Quantum Leap" is extremely difficult. And the simple fact of  the matter is that any serious physicist will admit that even modern  science doesn't fully understand it. 
           
          Please trust me. I'm going to tell you the workings of this  generator. Just as you wanted step-by-step. But the only way to do that  is to give what would be much more difficult and complex answers than  you would expect. I almost want to apologize that the answer is so  simple (which it is) but you'll finally see it for what it is. You have  to understand that it is just not that easy. I hope I'm not boring you and I hope you're not  thinking that I'm just trying to avoid the questions.
           
          When a positive pole of a magnet passes a copper coil it causes the  electrons to run in one direction (let's say to the left). When a  negative pole of a magnet passes a coil it causes the electrons to flow  in the opposite direction (let's say to the right). But whether pos. or  neg. when the electrons are moving away from the magnetic pole their  magnetic force is always pushing against whatever magnetic field is  affecting them. Just as a positive pole repels a positive pole on a  magnet.
           
          With air coils you really lose nothing except you may have to add  more coils than a normal generator. Because with iron cores you could  use less copper as the cores become an electro-magnet, thereby causing a  stronger magnetic field causing more electrons to flow. When my magnet  is coming close to the coil it starts the electrons to flow just like  any other generator and as Lenz's Law states "the magnetic field coming  from the electrons is pushing back on the magnet". 
           
          If the magnet didn't move it would be just like hitting a wall. But  the magnet is able to spin backwards for the simplest of reasons "every  action has an equal and opposite reaction". A body at rest tends to stay  at rest unless acted upon by some outside force. A body in motion tends  to stay in motion unless likewise acted upon by some outside force.  Maybe not exactly what Newton said but almost, a concept not as simple  as people seem to think.   
          The magnet turns away not being stopped there. Then the next point of  force is when the magnet is fully under the coil. Lenz's Law once again  wants to tremendously push it down. This is where the wings come in.
           
          Once again, a scientific discovery as important as flight is taken  for granted by the modern scientist. But this is modern science. One  wing is being push upwards by atmospheric pressure. The bottom wing is  being pushed downwards by atmospheric pressure. These not only solve the  problem of stable magnetic levitation, but also counter acts the force  wanting to be push downwards on the magnet. Then when the magnet is  emerging on the other side of the coil unlike a magnet that would repel  it on onside and then pull it back on the other side with equal force,  it is also repelled on that side, too. 
           
          Of course I'm not the first one to ever try to achieve stable  magnetic levitation. But I am the first one to affectively solve it.  Also I'm the first one to ever have a configuration to where a magnetic  field is repelling on one side and the other also. 
           
          Let's address what is commonly known as "load" and why if you light a  light it wants to slow a generator down.
           
          The more lights the more "load" and the more mechanical energy so to  speak is needed to turn the generator. It's because the "load" is  causing the electrons to be "dammed up" so to speak. Because it's harder  for them to get through the "load" the more the electrons are held back  the more magnetic force pushes against the magnet, simply because there  is now many more electrons in the coil. 
          But it must now be clearly understood that in no way are the  electrons being pushed by the magnet. As we would push a row of marbles,  because we have now entered into the atomic realm and quantum physics  and this is truly entering another universe. Where up is not up and down  is not down, but operates on a completely different set of rules. We  are not splitting atoms here as in a nuclear bomb. But we must remember  we a manipulating atoms. And I need not remind you of the tremendous  force that can be released by a very small amount of atoms in nuclear  fission. 
           
          I hope I'm not being too redundant even with our simple magnet and  our copper coil. Those are the forces we are dealing with. 
           
          The common terminology is that mechanical force is turned into  electrical force. But this is simply incorrect. Because the mechanical  force truly never touches the copper wire. The mechanical force is only  being used to pass a magnet by a coil. I think the best example I can  give of mechanical force being turned into energy is when primitive man  would take a flint and strike it with a harder rock, using the  mechanical force of their arm. 
          The resulting energy produced by that collision caused sparks to fly  from the flint to light a fire, tremendous heat, etc... being created on  the atomic level. And there is an electrical component to this. But  there truly is no mechanical component for electrical generation. 
           
          The electrons are being "excited" for want of a better word by the  magnet. Not pushed. A spinning magnet affects the electrons the same as a  fixed magnet. And I think possibly more.
           
          Let's address conservation of energy. 
           
          If you make a generator and you use twenty pounds of copper wire and  let's say four pounds of permanent magnets. You must have a pos. and  neg. (output and input) because if one electron leaves the generator it  must be replaced by another electron that has traveled through the  circuit and returned to its place in a copper atom. One could not come  out unless one was coming in. Therefore you can run that generator for  twenty years and even if you have burnt ten thousand gallons of  gasoline, coal or whatever you still have the same twenty pound of  copper.
          Can you see that obviously this needs a little more thought? And can  you see that if you could utilize Lenz's force you could (in the real  world) generate more power than it would take to run the machine?
          But I don't think it's free energy at all.
           
          I think that neutrinos and a whole lot of other complicated stuff are  involved. Please correct me on anything where you think I'm wrong. The  sooner I'm shown my mistakes the sooner I can move on. If you want me to  I will gladly go into more detail.

After reading that I am still not 100% clear, why this magnet should be repelled when "emerging" from the coil. I may ask again, because I have another theory to it. But everything else seems correct from point of science. Feel free to add in your thoughts too, for I really don't think this guy makes it up.