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Overunity Machines Forum



This device is the real self-running overunity?

Started by Arthurs, May 17, 2010, 03:45:15 PM

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Airstriker

Quote from: NTesla on October 14, 2010, 01:56:39 PM
Will do  ;D Note that at the start of Wendall's YouTube video "New Generator Video Part  III  2-14-2010" he shows a full wave rectification circuit. It looks like each coil has a corresponding bridge rectifier that then goes through to a single smoothing capacitor.
I really wouldn't care much about Wendell's sonic booms ;] I don't really think he has anywhing working like he says he has, but the idea on it's own is very good. The question is - is there ANY way to make it run like we want it ?

gravityblock

Quote from: Airstriker on October 15, 2010, 07:22:52 AM
I don't really think he has anywhing working like he says he has, but the idea on it's own is very good. The question is - is there ANY way to make it run like we want it ?

I agree.  I don't think his device works "as is", but the concept shouldn't be abandoned.  The concept is really brilliant.  The only way there can be any opposition to the prime mover is if there is a cancellation of forces on the magnet which prevents it from rotating while allowing the prime mover to experience a net force against it's rotation.  Below is a modified image from Arthurs previous drawing showing how the forces on the magnet can be cancelled while there is a net force against the rotation of the prime mover.

In the below image, the magnet experiences a CW and a CCW force which cancels out the magnet's rotation, but the CW and CCW force against the magnet are both pointing in the same relative direction in regards to the prime mover, which allows a net counter force to work against the prime mover. I hope this makes some sense.  In short, the rod running through the floating magnets is transferring a counter torque against the prime mover's rotation.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: Airstriker on October 15, 2010, 07:22:52 AM
The question is - is there ANY way to make it run like we want it ?

What about two free floating magnets on each rod in repel mode.  Each magnet will be seperated by a distance equal to the length of the coil plus a few millimeters.  The top magnet will be shielded on the left half of the magnet's radius, while the bottom magnet is shielded on the right half of the magnet's radius.  The shielding material will be attached to the rod, and will not be attached to the magnets.  Please, I don't want to hear how shielding doesn't work.  There is a way to divert the magnetic field where it will follow the ferromagnetic material instead of passing through it, if done properly.

Assuming a CW rotation of the prime mover, then the bottom magnet will interact with one end of the coil during it's approach.  After TDC, then the top magnet will interact with the other end of the coil during it's departure.  Since the floating magnets are in repel mode, then the departing top magnet will induce the same polarity in the coil as the bottom magnet did during it's approach because the top magnet faces the opposite end of the coil as the bottom magnet.

Here's another way to look at it.  Let's say a south pole of a magnet approaches a coil. At TDC, we switch the polarity of this magnet at no cost, where it's north pole is now facing the same end of the coil.  This departing north pole will induce the same polarity in the coil as the approaching south pole did (I hope I got this part right). In this setup, the magnets should be opposed during it's approach to the coil, which will be against the rotation. Likewise, the magnets should be repelled during it's departure from TDC, which will be with the rotation.  Lenz won't work for us in this situation, but it's force may be cancelled out.

This idea hasn't been fully thought through or experimented with, but I see no reason not to throw this idea out here so you guys can kick it around a little.  Maybe this will inspire better ideas on how to make it run like we want it.

GB

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Arthurs

Hi NTesla:

    Very much looking forward your experiment results!

Xu Yuan

NTesla

Quote from: Arthurs on January 09, 2011, 07:01:35 PM
Hi NTesla:

    Very much looking forward your experiment results!

Xu Yuan

Unfortunately due to other commitments I have been unable to experiment further. I also recently visited Wendall's YouTube site and he has no new videos of his device available. At this stage I am yet to be convinced such a device can achieve overunity.