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Thane bi-toroid measurements (Info)

Started by void109, June 08, 2010, 02:34:24 PM

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void109

June 08, 2010, 02:34:24 PM
I put together a small setup to test the principle using a metglas secondary toroid and a generic ferrite toroid for the primary.  Here's a picture of the setup and the inductance results:
Edit: Modified picture to add arrows... :)

gyulasun

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June 08, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
Hi,

Thanks for this interesting info. Unfortunately "the loading back" to the source effect is rather high when both secondaries are shorted. Could you test with not a dead short but with a 2-4 Ohm resistor at hand which may sound more practical?

Would you check also when you short the 1st secondary, then how the 2nd secondary changes? (perhaps in this latter test leave the primary coil open, then also short it too).  This way your great contribution would be even more useful.  Do you know any permeability data on the ferrite toroid? If no, no problem then just measure OD, ID and its height.

Thanks,  Gyula

Sprocket

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June 08, 2010, 06:11:57 PM
Is there a real purpose with the 2'nd secondary?  I know Thane uses it in the patent to collect all possible power from the redirected BEMF for the final total, but even there, it's minuscule compared to the output from the 1'st secondary!  Wouldn't is be just as well to double the secondary core size and be done with it?

I also don't understand how the wire inductance relates to magnetic reluctance - isn't the core-reluctance just dependent on its own properties, size and possibly the AC frequency?  Lots I don't understand... :)

Bruce_TPU

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June 08, 2010, 06:26:09 PM
Hi Void,

Good job on the build, the only thing I would suggest changing, is the following, as I have drawn it below, to fit better the understanding of the patent.  Also, Gyula's idea of using a resistor (or load as a small bulb, etc) on each of the two secondary coils it also consistant with the patent and a great idea.

Great job building something!!  That is what this forum needs much more of... IMHO.

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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