the majos differences of my AG-Cells

[Bruce A. Perreault]

Walt,

It is a super capacitor because a double layer is formed between the electrodes.
This is the definition of a super capacitor.

I was using Windex as my conductive vehicle for several years in my capture
capacitors. Just because a saline solution is now being used doesn't make
what you are doing a new discovery and I recent that you are now lifting
my work and calling them AG-Cells. You played a cool game in the beginning
by using graphite cylinders instead of plates and I was willing to give you
the benefit of the doubt that you might be onto some new improvement.
You had indicated that your graphite cylinder approach was more efficient
than my plate approach. I bought it hook-line and sinker. You then let the
line run slack for a while and laid low. Now you are pulling in your catch by
claiming that plates are more efficient. Anyone who has been following my
research for years knows better. I have left a paper trail for years if any of
the newbies want to check out my statements here. The only thing that
you have done is change the conductive vehicle from Windex to a saline
solution. In some aspects this might be better but in others it is not. I gave
you credit for your use of the saline because where credit is due it must be
given. Your claim that the use of plates is your newly improved design is wrong
and I am taking this moment here to speak up.

It is a super capacitor and a type of metal/oxygen hybrid because it generates
its own charge through a mechanism that I identified several years ago that I
have not yet discussed with anyone.

Sure, radioactive material can be used to boast the current but there is still
another factor to consider that I might talk about at a later time. Why do you
deny proven science?

                        -Bruce A. Perreault

[hartiberlin]

Bruce,
maybe your explanation "supercapacitor" in this case is a bit misleading or better said: "unhappy",
cause we use these cells as a battery and not as a capacitor, although there is
this double layer effect in it...

Yes, I remember seeing your demo at the last inventors weekend where you used
the big plates together with windex and charged it up via a DC power supply
and then ran a DC motor from it for a while.
There you used it as a supercapacitor, but you also charged it up,
before you ran the motor with it.

In Walt?s case he is not charging the cells up and they generate their own
power from this special doublelayer effect.
So I think, it is better to call them not supercapacitors !
Let them better call saltwater batteries or AGC cells or whatever,
but not supercapacitors.

After all a capacitor must first be filled up, before you can discharge it.

P.S: Why don?t you begin to sell your supercaps at all ?
They seemed to be really good. If you roll them up, so they
would have a size like a coke can andwould have around 100 to 500 Farad
that would be great !

Regards, Stefan.

[Bruce A. Perreault]

Stefan,

Yes, it is true that if we charge the plates we can get enough current to run larger loads.
This is because the plates are heated and the reactions are accelerated. Without the
charge two such cells that I demonstrated would be required to light just a small LED. I
did not show this because of the time constraints associated with a lecture.

How is what Walt is now doing any different than my CAPTURE CAPACITORS? I have
known about the phenomenon that Walt is now claiming to be his discoveries. This was
documented by me in 1997. In fact, one of my first of many releases is still on my server...

               http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/manual300.pdf

I have also assembled semi-dry capture capacitors, this design appeared in a later
publication. They are correctly called capacitors because of the double layer that
exists between the plates. They are also metal/oxygen cells and they are also
rectifying diodes. They are three components rolled into one. More correctly,
they are modulated high surface, high capacitance diodes.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Bruce P.

[hartiberlin]

Well Bruce,
I agree with you, that you have done this very early,
but why don?t you call them "batteries" ?

I think to call them "supercapacitor" is not good,
cause they can?t be used a supercapacitors, cause
then the battery effect is going worse, cause it changes the graphite
and Zamak structure !

So in our use as batteries one should also call them batteries
and not capacitors, as this gets misleading.

But I agree with you, that the working effect
is some kind of double layer diode that just might rectify the
cosmic radiation or something like this, cause the cells output power
also depends on the actual cosmic X-rays, which Walt found out.
Regards, Stefan.

[Bruce A. Perreault]

Stefan,

Walt's association to x-rays is not his discovery or finding either. I suggested
the effect a long time ago. What he did was validate my finding through
documentation by observing the effect that I pointed him to. I have the
e-mails between us to prove what I am stating here is the truth.

Most correctly, as I have been stating, the cells are metal oxygen cells.
They can be enhanced by radiation or by r.f. fields. By the way, the x-ray
is a form of radiation. There is another factor that I will not talk about at
this point for financial reasons.

                              -Bruce P.