Magnet Motor from Argentina, part2

[kukulcangod]

Craigy
         Just to have fun and to illustrate the point I included a link to a video showing that with little movement of the stators is possible to create fast rotation mantaining torque for what I can feel.
  This was before my new setting which has to much force fot the rotor to keep straight also very important .
I will show it when ready. best regards




http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4725266832858577803

[joe]

Hello Guys,

I am working on Torbays motor since a good while.
I am using rectangular magnets and also round magnet for testing the rotor. At the end of the last magnet on the rotor I have added (glue) a little magnet at 45 degres so when the stator magnet escapes from the last rotor magnet it gives it an extra push out. Now right now i am figuring the right configuration of the rotor/stator. It is the hardest part.
I have a question for you guys,  i have ordered some ring magnets (6" od) that i want to use for testing.  Do you think Torbay's rotor ring magnet is magnetised through thickness if yes it means that it has a North and South pole on the edge of it. 
When i receive my order i sure will conduct more test about it  and it could be a clue to how this device is working.

Talk to you later,     Joe

[mrd10]

Hi Joe,

I have a small ring magnet, i havent cut it in half, its only a small one.
One side is north and the other is south. I guess this is very interesting question, from what the video shows, it seems that the front edge of the ring magnet maybe north, as it has to repulse the lever magnet, but i don't see the other levers going up behind it, so it might be as you say, its more north on the front edge and south at the back edge

I too am using rectangle magnets for the levers and i have put these same magnets on the rotor. I was trying to make the top mechanism, ive succeeded somewhat, but found that i dont have enough torque to push forward, still theres just a tiny bit of friction with top wheels, there are adjustements to be made, I feel that this is what is needed. I have these consideration to think about:-

1)bring the lever magnets closer to each other.
2)the travel distance for lever magnets may need to be reduced.
3)Also bringing the lever magnets closer to the rotor disc magnets.
4) add springs or weights on the lever magnets.

I'll keep at it, take my time.

All the best with your setup Joe.
Send me a video of what you have done, when you get a chance.

Cheers,

Dom   

[Craigy]

Hi Joe, Dom and KuKu,

I found out that by playing with just one stator as in your video i could get great speed on the rotor, unfortunately i haven't videoed it though as i thought it too good to be true, LOL. i thought for a min or two about adding a few servos...but that would be cheating.. part of the problem is low speed torque, we need quite a bit to get up the ramps or lift stators, although lifting stators is the easy bit, it is still using our rotational force which is being depleated.
I have used a magnet to push the stators up, and it is a good idea, but i am beginning to wonder if perhaps there is more stopping force there than i realise, i am playing with the positioning and size of that magnet before having a go with a cam.

Joe, my rotor is made up of 11 small magnets, they are angled all the way down the rotor in the way you discribe with your single magnet.The angles are very important as to how well the rotor works. Jason , mentioned that my rotor looked like the Minato wheel but with the magnets facing the wrong way. Well i put them around the otherway , in the direction of rotation and got complete lock up. Does the Minato wheel use attraction? Anyway in the patent you can see that torbays rotor has angled edges., I am assuming, rightly or wrongly that , that angle produces a lobe of magnetic field that is acting in the same way as your single magnet or my multiple magnets, i.e. it creates a kind or ratchet so that movement is favored in one direction over another, the 45 degree lobe pushing on the stator faces.

I noticed that the stator magnets are also angled but as my small magnets cannot be angled i have placed a large Steel washer in front of them, creating a "T" shape, surprisingly enough this seems to have widened the magnetic field thus making movement much smoother. I have now restricted stator movement down to 5 or 6 mm but the  various ramps i have tried have all failed, but frustratingly, not by much.

Still playing with it..if we work together we will get it in the end

Cheers

Craig 

[kukulcangod]

Guys
       To me the Minato problem was solved by Torbay's solution there is not much difference if you think about the magnetic field shape used in both.
Playing with the idea of a mechanical device months ago for the minato instead of the electrical pulses (he did cheat craigy ) came to realize is not easy due to forces being balanced out or depleted in the process therefore complying with the laws of conservation of energy but Torbay uses more force out of 3 magnets more effectively ,
overcoming this problem , his solution doesn't come out of balance but all of the oposite, jusst an observation.....I'm keeping at it.Cheers