These magnet wheels look set to run !!!

[exnihiloest]

Over and over the same error. In a closed system something moves because it is submitted to a potential difference (gravity, electric or magnetic).
After one turn the system is at the same position as its start point. This means that there is no potential difference between the start point and the final point, consequently there is no reason for the mobile part to move.
A potential difference can cause the mobile part to move but only along a fraction of the path, because the potential difference in the next part of the loop is of opposite sign (otherwise the potential energy would not be the same at the start and end positions which are the same and one).

A description of a closed system using only current laws of physics will never prove perpetual motion. And if the system is not closed, then the system could work, but in this case what is depleted outside? What is the principle involved?
Either a working model is to be built and shown, or a consistent theory is to be presented (in order the others not to waste time in attempt to make experiments to verify it). We have here neither one nor the other.

[Raj Balkee]

I am pleased that my announcement above has triggered a reply.

Starting from a point, moving/turning/ rotating and resetting at the start point, is ALL I have tried to achieve.
Starting from rest postion, and resetting to the start position, we have GAINED ' some momentum, if nothing else, that can alleviate in some way, in the next cycle!!!
A ' Build' will be done in due course. There is no rush.
For better or for worse, safeguarding my idea has been my priority.
' Closed' or ' Open' systems have been the least of my worries.
As for the laws of thermodynamics as we know them today, I wonder what will they be like in a thousand years and beyound.
Regards.
Raj

[exnihiloest]

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As for the laws of thermodynamics as we know them today, I wonder what will they be like in a thousand years and beyound.

The laws of thermodynamics are statistical therefore they are possibly not correct at very small scale of space-time, especially the second law. Nevertheless we have not yet a conclusive experiment that would dismiss it.

[tbird]

Does anyone of you think that these new repulsion and attraction magnetic forces look likely to make the wheels
rotate.
Reply please.
Raj

Raj Balkee,

sorry to take so long with this reply.  couldn't find it.  and when i did it wasn't as close to yours as i was thinking.  it still might be interesting to you.  a fellow did a really nice build and couldn't get it to work.  i can't find that either, yet.

http://www.fdp.nu/cack_movie/janpcack.asp

tom

[Raj Balkee]

Thanks Tom!
The magnet wheel you mention is like most on this forum, i.e the stator and rotor, one maintaining its same orbit in relation to the other, which I think will be gravitationally BALANCED, and will rely entirely on the magnetic repelling and/or attracting forces to provide torque for rotation.
My AGE magnet wheels (outer larger as stator and inner smaller as rotor) are expected to rotate because the stator will continuously change its orbit round the rotor, by being brought closer to the rotor on counterclockwise side and further away from the rotor on the clocwise side by corresponding magnets pull and push, thereby unbalancing the rotor, forcing it to rotate and gravity providing the resetting force each time continuously.

To our friend Thay.
I have been expecting a reply...
As they say...' Silence is golden! 'and/or  'No news is good news!'
But is it?
I wonder...just fable!
Raj