Chalkalis Gravity Wheel

[tbird]

[quote author=sm0ky2
for instance, take the Chalkalis device, and move the drive-wheels to the other side of the wheel; Such that they are driving the wheel up and over the top, instead of pushing it on the down side. If the drive-wheels are set so that the wheel just barely completes the full circle when pushed on the down side,
when you move them to the up side, the wheel will not make it around the top, and back into the drive-wheels.
too much momentum is eaten by the gravitational decceleration.
[/quote]

did you really mean to say "...the wheel will not make it around the top,..."?

since you have the drive wheels on the up side (assumed the same distance from top dead center), isn't that as far as the wheel has to travel?

it sounds like what you are saying is the wheel won't make it back to even that distance unless you add more energy than it would take if the drive wheels where on the down side.

is that right?

tom

[sm0ky2]

thats exactly the point im trying to make Tom.

it requires MORE energy to flip the mass around the top of the curve when the force is added on the "up" side than it does when you add the force in the same directional vector as the gravitational force. (down side)

NOW,. is doing so truly "overunity"? or simply "more efficient"?
that's the question.

[tbird]

from his blog....

Calculation method:
Central weight F 45,69Kg = 448,2Ν ∙ r 0,51m = 228.58Nm ∙ 160 RPM ÷ 9550 = 3,829Κw
Additional weight F 4,5Kg = 44,145Ν ∙ r 1,12m = 49.44Nm ∙ 160 RPM ÷ 9550 = 0,828Κw
                                                                                                                       Tot. 4,657Κw

did he do this right?  is he saying his machine could, at 160 rpm, produce 4,657 watts (i think the K is a misprint, oh no! he uses a comma in a number like i do a period.  commas for me are for a different use, like above....separates thousands from hundreds, etc.) if he had a 100% efficient alt hooked to it?

anybody else think this is what he means?

tom

[lespaul109]

I do know that some cultures use a comma for our "period" and vis versa. My wife is peruvian and uses commas to seperate cents from dollars. This is my two cents. Not to sure about Greeks

jake

[tbird]

sorry i confused you with that question.  i meant it to address Chalkalis's numbers (how he got the 8-11 times output).

to continue, let's say it is ou.  to be a self runner, what would be the most efficient way to draw off the input power?

he says......"It could also be auto supplied (run on its own power) with the appropriate technical means which unfortunately I do not have."

i think he said some place he had tried using electricity too, but failed.

off-the-shelf motors, in general, don't seem to be very efficient.  direct drive would be nice, but.... anyone have a simple design to pulse the arm as his does with the 2 smaller wheels?

how about putting an alt on the output shaft (as efficient as possible, not a car alt) and an electric magnet where he has the 2 small wheels?  the coil could be fixed in position and the magnet/core could be on the edge of the arm.  then attracted/repulsed at the proper time.

any thoughts?

tom