A Totaly Different Kind Of Overbalancing Wheel 2

[SPANG]

mscoffman,
              My statement above most deffinately applies to people like you.

[Low-Q]

@SPANG: "I don't mind being wrong, in fact I'm quite used to it!"

The members of this forum might not be the sharpest cheese on the crackers, but I assume this last sentence in your explanation, are still valid....

Maybe your explanation should be enhanced, have a more educational approach. It is hard for anyone to read others mind while reading that persons explanations. I bet you have it all clear in your mind - except that you have overlooked a few essential details about potential energy...

I can only tell you this:
If this setup are some how limiting any weight to change altitude beyond any given mechanical limitation, there will never be excess potential energy that will run this thing forever. No matter how you put it, and configure the weights, the potential energy will never exceed itself.

Also have in mind that the rightmost 5kg weights have a greater velocity and moves a longer distance pr. revolution,than the other 5kg weight. Maybe you forgot to calculate with that too?

If the bottom wheel are not suppose to go anywhere, neither left, right, up or down, what would the difference be if you placed a hub in that one too?

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[Low-Q]

I must also say I do now fully understand your idea. The problem is the difference in velocity, acceleration etc. that is exact opposite of the difference in distance to the hub. You will therefor gain nothing. Your project will not work, but thank you for sharing

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[Airstriker]

mscoffman,
              My statement above most deffinately applies to people like you.

Oh please SPANG, don't say that. I may not be a high class member of this forum, but I'm here long enough to know that mscoffman usually speaks with wisdom ;> The same may also apply to you. All we're trying to do here is understand your design. To be honest, I also don't really understand the idea with taut and slack parts of chains. How do you want to make part of a chain slack ?

[Low-Q]

Oh please SPANG, don't say that. I may not be a high class member of this forum, but I'm here long enough to know that mscoffman usually speaks with wisdom ;> The same may also apply to you. All we're trying to do here is understand your design. To be honest, I also don't really understand the idea with taut and slack parts of chains. How do you want to make part of a chain slack ?

The lower wheel are just hanging there in the chains. The 10kg weight are pressing down this lower wheel while there is two chains that surrounds respectively an outer and inner diameter of the wheels. The solid line are where the chain are tighten up by the tension provided by the 10kg weight, while the red dotted line the chain have a slack and not loaded by this tension. It looks in the drawing that the chain are going from the inner diameter to the outer diameter as there is a possible misunderstanding in how the colors and dotted - not dotted chains has been drawn. There is one chain for the inner, and one chain for the outer diameter. A better drawing would be a visible/actual slack in the chains instead of drawing them both as straight lines. This would improve the general understanding of the idea. Right, SPANG?

In order to prevent the lower wheel to move to the left, there is a support wheel that is fixed on the left side that prevents the lower wheel to move in that direction due to the slight offset of the 10kg weight.

The idea is that there are now two tighten parts of the two chains that equally supports each part of the 10kg tension - 5kg each on the opposite side of the hub but with respectively the smallest and biggest radius. Further, the inner radius and outer radius carries different torque because they exists in a different distance to the hub - this is true. This far, SPANG has followed his mind nicely.
What he forgets, however, is that the difference in torque, which seems to be the key to rotation, are canceled out by the difference in velocity and acceleration rate due to the different distance to the hub. These two parameters, torque and acceleration, will equalize each other perfectly, and the wheels will not start to spin at all.

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