The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[mscoffman]

There are four (4) areas of caution
that need to be handled with this:

a - cautions of dealing with quantities of HHO
b - cautions of dealing with concentrated NaOH liquid electrolyte
c - cautions of dealing with RF radio frequency shielding
d - methods of getting reliable feed water into the cell

But as long as people keep experiments brief no-one
should be excessively concerned about the above
until they are producing actual quantities of HHO.

One way is to edge in on the process - use voltages below
twelve volts and see what it can do. There are several
youtube videos that give typical liters of HHO per watt
(@STP) generation figures for standard faraday electrolysers
and they come in approximately the same. What we want to
see here, is a lot more liters per watt.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[StihlWoody]

Well, my shop has all the proper safety gear, including a vented box with 1" thick bullet-proofed plexi, and chemical safety gear so that I can simply plug it into the wall outlet.  I will just see if it bubbles any or not, and from there I can post results.

I put a Steel tube over the wires so that the tube becomes a hollow ferrous core, and the standing wave effect will be effectively nullified. 

I am using a ballast resistor to keep the coils physically cold, and then just plug it into the wall when I get a break from all this work.  No rest for the self employed!

StihlWoody

[niofox]

Using this link:
http://www.horrorseek.com/home/halloween/wolfstone/TechBase/com555_555TimerCalc.html
I found the resistor values needed for 125KHz square pulse for the circuit diagram they provide.  R1 = 1000, R2 = 940, C1 = 0.004
I think I already have this circuit setup at home.  Now I just need to make the resistor adjustments
I sourced the lye (everyone here calls it caustic soda.  They have no idea what lye is) and will pick it up on my way home, along with the other stuff I'll need to put this thing together.
Hopefully on Saturday I'll be making gasses.  And not just the kinda that occur after lunch 

Edit:
Of course the output from this circuit will not be leds but will bias the base of a transistor (using ones from my Bedini experiments) which will allow my 2nd voltage source (an adjustable adapter) to juice up the coil.

Here's another nice link that has some more detailed info as well as a whole set of other circuits
http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/LM555.html#3

[Gwandau]

ramset,

sorry for my late answer.

It is all for your safety. NAOH reacts aggressively with water, and if you by accident happens
to get water into the NAOH container, it will definitely explode.

Also too much NAOH poured into the water without any delay will create such an aggressive reaction that it will boil almost explosively,
additionally creating a poisonous and corrosive chlorine gas strong enough to severe your lungs for life if inhaled.

Chlorine gas is heavier than air and has a strong irritating odor like bleach. We are able to smell chlorine at levels much lower than those levels
considered harmful. It has been intentionally used as a weapon during World War I and in IED detonations in Iraq.

Relatively low levels of chlorine gas can cause sore throat, coughing, and eye and skin irritation, while higher levels can cause burning of the eyes and skin,
nausea, temporary blindiness, difficulty breathing, and chest pain. At high enough levels, chlorine gas can cause immediate collapse and death.

As a NAOH  solution in water it also reacts with aluminium, magnesium, zinc (galvanized), tin, chromium, brass, and bronze and this will produce hydrogen gas,
in some cases extremely aggressively (magnesium).

Lye may also react with various sugars to generate carbon monoxide, which is a poisonous gas; mixing sodium hydroxide and sugar is therefore dangerous.

So just as mscoffman emphasizes, there are a lot of cautions to be considered, and personally I would recommend the experiments proposed by oswaldonfire
to be performed outdoors with safety glasses and proper clothing if you don't happen to be the owner of a high risk chemistry lab.

Gwandau

[Goat]

I have since taken apart my old circuit for other projects, and I never wrote down exactly how it was configured. However - I will see what I can dig up.

I have ordered a small magnetic induction lamp - it arrives on the 28th. The plan is to take apart the light to get the ballast and the induction coils to drive my setup - you already read how similar these processes are. Instead of designing something, why not just get something that already has been professionally designed to do exactly what you want it to do?

That's my thinking behind it, and I will post how well it works or does not work.

Everyone here could buy a lamp and create their own - it's not hard. We'll see.

How's it coming with the chemistry?

@ oswaldonfire

You mentioned you had the circuit put together earlier in your reply to my post about the circuit.

Where did you get the information for the circuit you had and can you still get it for us? 

It seems odd that you had the proper circuit and coil that worked and now you've lost it and are now trying other circuits like the small magnetic induction lamp to experiment with, why not start back to the circuit you originally had that worked and go from there?   

I'm trying to get all my ducks lined up for a circuit/coil/NaOH container/bubbler/burner setup but the missing piece is Alaskastars original circuit(s), he tried 3 different ones from what I read at Oupower.

I tried to find information about the circuit(s) at the Oupower forum and everyone that posted about using Alaskastar's circuit(s) was from his projects folder. 

Unfortunately he emptied his folder because of all the BS in the thread and joined another forum on another site....

"Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:02 pm    Post subject:     

Reply with quote
Correct. The project folder is empty, and has been for a while now.

A person only has so much time and patience for bullshitters.

I am on a new forum, a private one, as are a few of the members here.

The new forum, bullshit isn't allowed in.

Hope you enjoy this forum, for what it has become, as it could have been great, it could have been much much more than what it is now.

Keep in mind that the site admin no longer visits here, nor ever posts here." 

So oswaldonfire my question to you is, where are the circuit(s) that Alaskastar originally posted? 

In post http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=post;quote=249731;topic=9448.75;num_replies=168;d179290c3=7f85ba6c789c5fcd7cffce515f247a6b you mentioned that "I do know the inventor. He and I decided that it would be best to release the information freely as I am doing so right now." 

The only problem is that in order to replicate this experiment we need the proper circuit information, otherwise, how can we replicate it?

Regards,
Paul