The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[oswaldonfire]

Do you mean that you saw something like I am describing over 3 years ago? To my knowledge, the only thing on the internet even closely resembling what I am talking about is John Kanzius' well-known work.

I can help you with the math.

When you fill the bottle, you hold the mouth very close to the surface of the water, so that the pressure of the water is very small. Atmospheric pressure at sea level is exactly 1 atmosphere (atm), or approximately 14.6959 psi. The output hose of your electrolyzer is always facing this atmospheric pressure. Depending on how far underwater we go, we add the pressure of the water column to the atmospheric pressure to get the total pressure.

So, let's say that you hold the hose 1 cm under the water. The output of the hose is now facing approximately 14.7105 psi - virtually no change from the 14.6959 psi in the air.

Let's even hold it 10 cm under the water. The total pressure is now 14.8417 psi - still very little change.

(All these numbers assume that you're at sea level, but the changes will stay the same no matter the altitude)

This change in pressure is so small that for our purposes, we can ignore it. However, if you wanted to account for this small pressure difference, you could use the formula PV=nRT. If you would like me to explain this, let me know. For now, I'll leave it out.

So now that we understand the pressures involved, let's take your figure of filling a 1 liter bottle in 5 minutes.

Using dimensional analysis, we can convert this into Liters/min.

If you can fill a 1 liter bottle in 5 minutes, how many liters can you fill in 1 minute?

The answer is 1/5, or .2 liters per minute.

So the production of your cell is approximately .2 LPM.

[dasimpson]

well that went way over my head lol
i would make a video of the bike running but 6 month after this experement the bike seized old engine iron blocks etc i was looking at a newer engine but well have to get the money for testing

[oswaldonfire]

Basically what you should get out of that is that the pressure of forcing the water out of the bottle is negligible for our purposes. I just showed why it is negligible.

I'd save your money for other designs for now, if I were you. A standard plate electrolyzer like you built is good to start with, however there are much much better designs out there.

I built a standard 4-plate electrolyzer in a 1-inch pipe when I was 12 and was just getting into this stuff. I have since moved on to better things, and personally don't bother with conventional electrolysis any more. It's a waste of time, in my opinion.

[dasimpson]

i mess with it cos parts are easy to get if i got the right engine that wont react to water then i would turn it into a genny to power the house more ideal another bike just mot's are a pain whent hey see it they dont like seeing o emissions lol so i stick carb back on etc just for the mot's

[oswaldonfire]

My method is much cheaper than conventional electrolysis, and the parts are even easier to get. And yet it outperforms it every day.