The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[iquant]

Depends on your approach: Electrolysis or Chemical H2 production:
Ultrasonic agitation is frequently used to speedup and control chemical reactions:
Checkout the following chemical H2 production methods:

NaH + H20 > http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/28890pp2.pdf
Hydrogen is produced when the pellets are cut and immersed in water. The exposed NaH surface reacts with water, releasing hydrogen and forming sodium hydroxide (NaOH) as a byproduct.

NaOH + Al >  http://pfc.org.in/fac/sept04.pdf
Production of hydrogen gas by reacting aluminum with water in the presence of sodium hydroxide as a catalyst.

Ammonia Borane: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/research/2010/100616VarmaHydrogen.html
Purdue researchers developed hydrothermolysis approach to release hydrogen from AB without catalysts.

Ultrasound-assisted electrolysis in NaOH solution for hydrogen generation
http://www.programmaster.org/PM/PM.nsf/ApprovedAbstracts/E4731A7BA8DFC935852577730067ECBB?OpenDocument
Water electrolysis in 0.4 M NaOH solution for hydrogen generation was carried out with ultrasound introduced through the anode. It was found that the cell voltage reduced by 150-250 mV in the current range of 20 mA to 40 mA with ultrasound frequency at 25.3 Hz. The cell operation became unstable when the cell current was larger than 75 mA with ultrasound. This reduction in cell voltage was due to removal of the gas bubbles on the electrode surface, which can be directly observed in the see-through cell of water electrolysis. Ultrasound with frequency of 33.3 Hz was also tried, but no better effect was obtained. The results suggest that ultrasound assisted water electrolysis can have potential in energy savings for hydrogen production.

A recent published paper on point to your question is:

Water electrolysis in the presence of an ultrasonic field
The energy efficiency of water electrolysis has been considerably improved in the presence of an ultrasonic field. This was demonstrated by measuring the cell voltage, efficiency and energy consumption of the generated gas from the electrolysis. These measurements were carried out in alkaline solution using linear sweep voltammetry (LSV) and galvanostatic polarization techniques. A large reduction of the cell voltage was achieved under the ultrasonic field, especially at high current density and low electrolyte concentration. With the same current density, the cell voltage difference with and without the ultrasonic field fell as the concentration of the electrolyte was increased. The efficiency of H2 generation was improved at a range of 5â€"18% at high current density in the ultrasonic field but the efficiency of O2 generation fell a little due to the difference in the behavior of the gas bubbles. The energy saving for H2 production by using the ultrasonic field was about 10â€"25% for a certain concentration of the electrolyte when a high current density was used. On the other hand, the energy consumption for O2 production with and without the ultrasonic field was almost the same.

What would happen if we come up with a variable frequency crystal oscillator and insert the crystal in water and vary the frequency up and down a vast range of frequencies? Will the crystal vibrations cause any water molecules to break up? Any thoughts? I do also believe that vibrations is the answer to the solution of electrolysis. The entire universe is based on and sustained by vibrations. A very low input power to achieve what currently requires a great energy expenditure (conventional electrolysis).

[iquant]

Chet,

I've setup a work bench at overunityresearch.com
Still formulating a sequence of experiments... Got some input from Farrah, Chris Hunter and others.

At this moment in time I'm focusing on chemical methods of producing H2 from concentrated NaOH solutions.

I've contacted Hielscher.com awaiting their equipment recommendations.
http://www.hielscher.com/ultrasonics/cavitat.htm
They have a comprehensive test lab available as these theories progress.
http://www.hielscher.com/image/flowchart_discrete_p1000.gif
Will kind of give you a picture of the initial setup:
Tank 2 = Supersaturated NaOH
Tank 1 = H20

I'm working on engaging the Suslick Research Group as they are experts in this field.
http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~suslick/index.html

I don't believe the commercially available ultrasonic cleaners and humidifier/fogger equipment will do the trick.
At this stage we need the ability to adjust amplitude and frequencies:  Speed of sound in water is 1500 m/s but in saturated NaOH its up near 2750 m/s.   

The idea is fairly simple but requires proper equipment and a certain level of accredited expertise to document and validate the experiments in order to gain traction.  I've searched the cache of scientific papers on the web and can not find any documented experiments trying this approach. 

iquant
you rollin up the sleeves??

Where are you going to focus? any ideas?
I would like to try also?
Have a few extra dollars coming in soon[for materials and equipment] ,and I hope some time to play!

Chet

[ramset]

iquant
VERY EXCITING!!,[your rolling up the sleeves!]

At the very least, This should be one of the things you will
see

"Meanwhile a spectacular phenomenon has been developing - a miniature merry-go-round of gas bubbles between the faces of the poles and parallel to them. Incapable of being shown adequately in a time exposure, the effect nevertheless appears plainly as a white blur, when the upper magnetic pole is given a conical shape for photographic purposes. Visual observation, shows striking details. If copper particles, say, have been added to the acidulated water, they will rotate in the same plane as the hydrogen bubbles, but in the opposite direction. For both, the speed of the whirligig depends upon the strength of the magnetic field. Reverse the polarity of the magnet, and each set of particles spins in the opposite direction.

Here are no wild-eyed theories, but perfectly demonstrable facts. Any skeptical physicist has a standing invitation to see them with his own eyes at Dr. Ehrenhaft's laboratory, placed at his disposal in the New York City quarters of the famous Carl Zeiss optical firm. How to account for the phenomena remains a challenge to science, unless Dr. Ehrenhaft's conclusions are to be accepted. See how neatly they would draw an analogy between well-known electric effects and new-found magnetic effects:

From Here

http://www.electricitybook.com/magnetism/

Chet

[Gwandau]

sergenet,

Nice to encounter someone who have understood what all matter is made of: vibrations aka standing waves.

A variable frequency crystal oscillator sounds interesting. I will ask a friend of mine that is far more at home
in this area than me.

I am personally convinced that Chris encountered a resonance phenomenon without being aware of it,
since he never succeded to repeat the so called magnetolysis which this topic is all about.

Resonance is the key here and this is what I am going to concentrate on this winter.

I have a feeling the active resonance points get more powerful the further up the frequency scale one moves,
since the further up the frequency scale you go, the further down towards the Planck scale one moves.

And it is there at that sub-molecular level where it all happens.

Therefore I suggest anyone interested in this area to explore the frequency band beyond the Mega Hertz range.

I also believe it is absolutely vital that the equipment used are perfectly calibrated and that all settings
and frequency adjustments during the experiment is digitally recorded for optimal retracability.

Gwandau

[Mark69]

Is anyone using the frequency of 42.7122?  This has been proven to be the frequency at which water will fracture.  I believe this was discovered by Patriach (spelling)?