The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[mscoffman]

@All

Let's not forget that the late John Kansius proved that EMF decomposition of
sea salt water electrolyte was possible near 13.0Mhz at 300Watts with pure EMF.
This experiment was reproduced by another scientist. It should be possible for
someone to see if they can experimentally retrieve this reaction and pull this
down to the 100KHz RF region where one could use more available 1KW audio
amplifier as final drive. I have some ideas for what the transducer coil would look
like.

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@ramset

Concerning  the Web link;

http://altenergy.site90.com/H2_MAGNETIC_GENERATOR.ppt

This link is interesting because I see some commonality With this Chris's coil
assembly and an possibly an early experimental NMR nuclear magnetic
resonance antenna transducer which may explain where the extra pulses
are coming from?

:S:MarkSCoffman

[ramset]

Chris responded,

Alaska Star
to me
   
show details 3:15 PM (43 minutes ago)
   
I have been reading this thread since----------- started it.

You guys are on the right track.

There's so many variables that you can modify from the size of the coil, the length of the coil, the strength of the coil, the dilution of the liquid, the frequency of operation, whether the field drops below zero line, if the coil has a ferric housing around the winding, ferric ringing, the type of material to make the coil (maybe copper coated steel wire dipped in the enamel to make magnet wire?) and anything else you can think of.

That particular technology for me was to just do it, see if it worked, post that it worked and move on to something else.  It was originally nothing more than a satisfaction of my curiosity.

Chris

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Chris ,
We like this [alot]!
Any contributions you can offer as we start posting our results would be great!!
We need more Men like you in this world!

Chet

Ps,
yes Mark C
Chris is a brilliant man!
His step by step commentary is wonderful in helping to understand what is going on!

And perhaps we can hone this technology into something to make this world closer to his [and our]idea of a better world!

OPEN SOURCE!!

PPS
A little OU gas production would go a long way towards boosting morale around here!

[Goat]

Chris responded,

Alaska Star
to me
   
show details 3:15 PM (43 minutes ago)
   
I have been reading this thread since----------- started it.

You guys are on the right track.

There's so many variables that you can modify from the size of the coil, the length of the coil, the strength of the coil, the dilution of the liquid, the frequency of operation, whether the field drops below zero line, if the coil has a ferric housing around the winding, ferric ringing, the type of material to make the coil (maybe copper coated steel wire dipped in the enamel to make magnet wire?) and anything else you can think of.

That particular technology for me was to just do it, see if it worked, post that it worked and move on to something else.  It was originally nothing more than a satisfaction of my curiosity.

Chris

------------------------------
Chris ,
We like this [alot]!
Any contributions you can offer as we start posting our results would be great!!
We need more Men like you in this world!

Chet

Ps,
yes Mark C
Chris is a brilliant man!
His step by step commentary is wonderful in helping to understand what is going on!

And perhaps we can hone this technology into something to make this world closer to his [and our]idea of a better world!

OPEN SOURCE!!

PPS
A little OU gas production would go a long way towards boosting morale around here!

@ Chet

Thanks for the update but.....something about this doesn't make sense and like many OU claims this is another one where we have no proof of a successful replication by anyone...if an inventor comes up with a way to produce HHO as claimed by Chris then abandons it without ever helping someone replicate a successful duplicate of his original I always get very suspicious...sorry if this sounds negative but so far from what I've seen and read is that Chris and Oswald both claimed that it works without proof....there's a bunch of information about it on the OUpower forum but it added up to nothing...then the circuit(s) were provided with incomplete information about the placement of the components and their values....then Chris just mentioned to you that "There's so many variables that you can modify"...why the original circuit worked why would you do that??? 

If you were to come up with a circuit that works at producing copious amounts of HHO that heretofore had never been accomplished would you throw away that circuit and just move on to other projects?  Call me crazy but I think it's irresponsibly insane to just walk away from something as big as this when you could have saved mankind from it's energy dependence on oil and all the pollution and wars it brings to this world...

Having said all that I still hope that someone can come up with a circuit that actually works and proves that this method is indeed the way to go because so far it doesn't look all that promising.

Regards,
Paul

[ramset]

Paul
I don't know what happened 3-5 years ago?
After "studying" all the data presented by many readers here,
and all their ideas,

I'm in [for replication ]

This I can do[attempt] and this I can grasp how it could work!

The way Oswald laid it out, It almost falls into that righteous" common seance" arena!

And If Chris can add input {or not].
So be it!

I spent most of my life in heavy construction/demolition in the streets of NYC,
A VERY rough place to do business!
You get a feel for BS!!

This fellow ain't  a BSer

On the contrary!
He's a man of impeccable  moral fiber!!

             




Its the least I can do!


Chet
PS
who knows ?
Maybe I'll hook up one of Dr, Stiffler's SEC's,and give it a whirl??

[LtBolo]

Flat solenoids, much like one you would wind around a pipe, are inherently resonant in the spirit of a Tesla transformer. When the coil is designed for high Q, a sharp impulse from a fast FET switch, or better yet a capacitive discharge through a spark gap, it will accumulate reactive energy with each impulse. It could be the intensity of the reactive energy, or perhaps the resonance at a specific frequency, that is the key for triggering the reaction.

Think of it this way: If you have a tuning fork that rings at 1000Hz, and you were to attach a magnetic coil assembly to excite it, if the coil assembly was highly resonant at 1000Hz, you could excite the tuning fork with almost no power. If the coil was not resonant, however, it might take far more energy to excite the same output.

There are many possible resonances in this system: The coil, the column of water acoustically, the column of water electrically, the NaOH ions in solution, etc. When the coil resonance matches the drive frequency, you can excite the coil with very little energy. When the coil frequency matches something in the water too, perhaps the reaction can be started with very little power.

I certainly have no clue, having not tried it...but...I think that is the kind of thinking Chris is encouraging, and is perhaps the reason that some have good results and some none at all.