The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[LtBolo]

How strong an electromagnetic field does it take to create that kind of eddy flow?

I suspect very little in that configuration. I'm not sure that metalic pipe can be used.

[ramset]

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In response to those seeking "proof" before trying to replicate it, I suggest this scenario:

Presume that you indeed built and proved it works.  You can post plans, step-by-step, part numbers, source suppliers, voltages, amperage, frequency, gauss strength, pictures and videos.  However...all this in vain because some arm-chair expert will claim that your video is a hoax, the pictures are cobbled up from the junkyard, and your numbers are bunk, thus making it impossible to work....but keep in mind that this comes from people that have not built, nor ever plan to build anything.

Now, that being said: what about my Hydrogen DVD?  You know...the one with my car running on hydrogen...yeah. The one that I paid an average of $6.95 apiece to make copies of, and mail with tracking numbers to literally thousands of people...and never got reimbursed for a single disc.  Should I repeat the same process?  I stopped making those DVD discs, and I stopped replying to emails requesting that disc because I found a world full of liars who are self serving and want everything in life handed to them for free without ever doing anything for it.

Such a process, as simple as it was, by dumping galvanized nails into battery acid, produces so much hydrogen in quantities sufficient to run a 1.6L 4 stroke gas engine in but a few moments of production time was able to run a full automobile for several minutes.

How impossible it was, that after it was all revealed, in all it's simplicity, that it was proven beyond all shadow of a doubt...the thread died. People stopped trying, their minds went back to sleep, time to change the channel.  If one were wise...they would look and find that recyclers do not accept galvanized steel, and there are no plants out there that specialize in de-galvanization of steel.  Maybe it's a 2-fold business opportunity that can take care of battery acid, galvanized steel, and make fertilizer and hydrogen fuel for pennies on the dollar compared to gasoline.  Non-electrolysis, cleans up 2 waste streams, and makes clean fuel and wonderful pure fertilizer.  Too bad people can't think that far ahead.  I would jump at the chance to set up a full scale plant like that.  I would tell 1/2 the planet to kiss my ass for the opportunity to build a plant for doing that.  Alas...the lack of funds takes hold and I continue to work.

Now, even if I produce a DVD, with me standing in a room devoid of everything except a rolling table, the devices needed, and a power cord, showing magnetolysis complete and all, and even rolling the table around to PROVE that there's no hose coming in from the floor... it would still be considered a hoax.

Now keep this in mind because if you read pages 13 through 15, you will see exactly that.

I am not refusing to join membership there, but I haven't closed my mind or anything about helping you guys out.  Maybe...just maybe...it might be worth my time to literally build a functional unit and send ONE,  just one, not 200 or 5,000 of them, but ONE/ UNO/ UNI/ ICHI (whatever language you prefer) unit for review to a respected member who is a no-bullshit 'authority' which means that they aren't armchair experts whom never built anything beyond bullshit.  This member can validate, beyond a shadow of a doubt, answer questions, get pictures from every conceivable angle, even video from inside the unit if needed to prove to these armchair experts that it can be done, and that it's not as complex as they would like it to be.

Now I haven't offered to do what I just mentioned, I was just putting an idea out there.  Keep in mind that I am quite busy with other work, which might be considered "skunk-works" type work, and I live on 6 hours of sleep with no caffeine.

So consider that when you see posts asking for proof beyond the shadow of all doubt.  If they want proof, I can start going through my books, and giving ISBN Numbers with exacting page and paragraph for where to look for the proof beyond all doubt.  This is all 100 year old textbook stuff.

Most of everything I have built or done can be found in early 19th century textbooks.

I am a history fanatic, and have a fascination in the realm of historical science, because the ideas they had were limited by the knowledge and understanding of technology and chemistry and tooling to make it happen.

We have everything now that they didn't have 100 years ago, so the chance to make their dreams a reality is now.  My dreams also parallel their dreams.

So if you look at all my projects, all the stuff I am doing... and reference back to the right book, 90 to 110 years ago, you will find that it's nothing new, and we have now the benefit of technology to take it from the lab to practicum.

Chris
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Chris,
I can imagine your frustration with your fellow man [US]

I "KNOW" a lot of the members here are genuine, sincere men
trying to make a difference,[and working VERY hard]

We NEVER get to pick all the "PLAYERS"

You have a lot of great ideas and a gifted mind!

Lets give this a 'Roll"

Where gonna stumble along anyway!


Chet

PS,
If I were to offer a member I thought Impeccable[there are many, MANY] But, wattsup or giantkiller come to mind.


PPS
Also,
If you help us ,
We will carry you around on our shoulders ,chanting praises to your name!
Through rose petals under your feet [almost every step]
And have lovely Damsels ,and a few virgins [getting harder to find those].
sing you lullaby's every evening.

That is our "Deluxe" package!

Of course we can negotiate?

Chet

[LtBolo]

Chris ran an engine on hydrogen derived from what appears to be conventional chemistry. Impressive, but not world changing.

Chris talks about a mechanism for generating hydrogen from non-conventional means that does appear to be world changing...yet...he himself hasn't done anything with it since then and cannot show a video of the process working.

Chris seems a bit wounded that folks challenge his reasoning or want to discuss the science behind it, but time and resources are not free, and although some are just skeptics, some of us are simply concerned about being good stewards of time and money.

In fairness, Chris, there is a great deal of crap on these forums and most of us have developed a BS detector over time. While you seem sincere, the lack of any evidence whatsoever does tend to trip the BS detector. No offense intended. I represent a business interest that would dearly love to pursue something like this, but would only do so given some degree of evidence in support.

I can easily build a case as to why this might work. Actually I can build several possible cases. That said, the lack of evidence in support and the presence of some evidence to the contrary, comes far short of the level that I would want before committing engineering resources to a project like this. But trust me, I wanna believe...

[ramset]

LtBolo
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. I represent a business interest that would dearly love to pursue something like this, but would only do so given some degree of evidence in support.

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No offense Bud,

It would be my intent that this info will be Open sourced!

be prepared to get your hands dirty,

or just sit back and "CHILL".

You can make a sales pitch later!!

The words "Business interests" make me ITCHY!!
To much of that "I can make a buck from this mentality" is why we don't have anything
available to the peeps yet!
100 yrs is enough!

Chet

[niofox]

Ordered a new function/signal generator off ebay.  Should be here in another week or 2
I plan on taking about 5 plastic bobbins I have here, wrapping them with various gauges of magnet wire, sealing the bottom of the air core and putting some solution in all, then pulsing them simultaneously to get a wide range of configurations going at the same time.  I figure I'd dial the frequency slowly and make observations until I get SOMETHING to happen and take note of all reactions.  The siggen is .2Hz to 20MHz, +-20v.  I'll go through all the ranges with all the wave forms and see what I get.  If that doesn't produce anything I'll look into getting frequency multipliers in there to go beyond 20MHz

If anyone can post a circuit diagram to help me out with this I would be very greatful
I do have an idea what it would look like, but I do tend to make mistakes with these things