Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[Paul-R]

Re: Problem of feeding hydrogen into a petrol engine.

It looks as if Jean Louis Naudin did it years ago:
http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/Hydrogen/Naudin/naudin.htm

He is using hydrogen and carbon monoxide in the ratio 3:1, and says it
works a treat, although he doesn't say how much power he gets from his
Honda generator set. But it appears to be an off-the-peg item with a
plastic tube where the carb used to be.

I still don't understand how it can work when petrol or propane has a
formula in the area of C6H8 or thereabouts. The burning of one
litre of vapour will generate many litres of combustion products to
push the piston down. Not the same story with H2.
Paul.

[mikestocks2006]

A great thread, just finished reading it again. Lots of good work and input from participants.
Any latest updates?

Few  thoughts that may improve gas generation.

Let?s start by looking at the water molecule as a charged dipole. It is slightly polar by nature and very unique in that respect.
So from an electrical stand point it maybe beneficial in producing more H O gas if on top of a continuous DC field applied to the electrodes to add a pulsed DC.

The continuous DC field will keep the molecules aligned (+-) (+-) and the pulse will add the electrostatic vibration.

The idea is to effect as much as resultant vibratory amplitudes as possible with minimum power. When the molecules are aligned within the field it is easier to excite them in unison since their natural random motion about is now more controlled. It?s like walking on a bridge, if all the small steps of many people are synchronized it?s much more likely for the system to resonate and fail.
Everything in nature has a harmonic. Everything resonates. There has to be a electropulse frequency that would cause the highest amplitudes and possible fracture(disassociation) into H and 0

Now on top of that let?s also consider the molecule as mechanical unit. With similar reasoning as above there has to be a mechanical frequency that would cause it to vibrate above it?s threshold and break it apart.
I have mentioned Sonoluminescence before
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1095.0.html

The more I read into that process it appears as at the right frequency(s) water breaks apart forming Plasma ? or according to some 2H and O at the stoichiometric level but then instantly collapses recombining back to water releasing huge amount of energy through scalar type of wave (or other form)  as some links suggest.
Energy input to the piezo?s is very low. We only need the excitation of water per se. and overcoming the natural dumping effect due to random molecule movement. But that?s where the electric filed comes in place.

Stoichiometric reaction is endothermic and produces pure vacuum plus water. This is also verified by results from this thread and others.

Now lets combine both an electrically induced vibration with a mechanically induced one, Experiment with frequencies and phases to effect a vibration above the threshold.

The idea again is to effect as much as resultant vibratory amplitudes as possible with minimum power

Would the continuously polarized plates (base DC field) capture the H and O ions thus preventing the collapsing of the bubbles?

It should be an interesting experiment, and reading some of the setups here it maybe easy to perform and measure gas out puts vs power inputs. The pulsed DC on top of the continuous  DC same polarity should be the easiest to perform. Some of the posters here already have the setups and electronics in place.

And just to throw everything at this water molecule, lets add a magnetic field, pulsating,  possibly on top of a stationary one?

Anyway just few thoughts to consider. Thanks again folks for this great thread. Especially Ronald for starting itt, his setup and perseverance.

[h20power]

There is no evidence that frequency can electrolyze any faster than direct current.  There's a lot of talk about it, and a lot of ideas, but I have found no verification anywahere that it performs better.

The reason the gas is bubbled through water is two fold.  One is to keep a flashback from going back into the reactor.  The other reason is to dry the gas.  After the reactor gets hot, there is a lot of moisture in with the hydroxy and running the bubbles through water condenses that moisture and it tends to stay in the bottle of water.

I am making hydroxy at a rate of about a liter a minute (a little less than a one liter pop bottle) with 300 sq in. of aluma-ti cathode/anode @ 24 vdc in plain tap water.  It is not enough to make this engine run.  This little engine requires 6.28 cu in. per stroke.  Multiply this times 1800 rpm and you get 11,304 cu. in. per minute that is sucked through the motor.  It'll empty the small amount of pressure in the vessel pretty quick.  Longest I've ever run it is about 5 seconds at one time but it runs very well when gets enough fuel.  Making enough hydrogen/oxygen to run even this tiny engine is going to be a challenge.  I can't imagine trying to supply a V-8.  There must be a secret I am not aware of.  Wish I was........I'm open to ideas, folks.  The setup is all here and all that needs to be done is make it function within the capability of the materials I have available for production.  Those facts are in the first post.

If you look at pic 8 in the forums website you cited, you will see the condition of the water.  My water does not look like this even after hours of running.  It stays clear with only a tiny amount of red material (rust?) in it at the bottom.  I attribute this to what is already in the tap water as my electrodes do not deteriorate in any way.  A 16 quart container such as I am using goes a LONG way.  Water level does not go down even after hours of fun.   

Hi I hope you read this for I am going to tell you a secret. If you let the chamber make a vacuum it will take less energy to produce gases, but since the energy going in is fixed you get more gases being produced. Vacuums should be about .1-.2 ATM's. This is how an 8 cyl can run on it, it uses it's own vacuum to make it more effienct. The more you rev the engine the more gases will be produced, because the more vacuums produced as the engine rev's up.

[hartiberlin]

Yes, this is what I have also seen.

If you use a vaccuum, you get much more gas production
for the same amout of input energy.

I am still looking for a good pump, which can pump HHO gas
and will not blow it up.
If anybody has a cheap version from Ebay or other sources, please
post a link to it.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[pese]

@paul-r

i can not find by naudin
Input Power
VS
Output Power
(as usual by Naudin)

Not to see that 2000 Watts will be load
perhaps 200

The input power  was  for other  energizer fromhim 25amp@30 volts = 750 watts !!

Come this now also from this generator ??
or it is connected over the power-supply to his line voltage ??

I can not see and follow this connections.
I cant read any knowledges.

Some othe Links shownd an 5cm gaz-flame from this bottle that was produced with 750 watts . I think (hopefully) the newone produce more gaz , need more input ! (alsos more than output from generator?