Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[kenbo0422]

Someone, somewhere, stated that the introduction into an engine of pure hydrogen and oxygen for combustion would eventually result in the metals becoming brittle.  Another invention, along this line is one I read about on another site where this problem was eliminated by mixing the h2 and o2 in with the incoming air intake and gasoline fuel mixture.  The results were reported to be much higher mileage.  Would this be a different path to consider here?  I mean, if the original fuel were still important, then why not step up the mileage with a conventional fuel, O2, H2 mix then work on changing the conventional fuel to something either unconventional or renewable (i.e.- alcohol, etc.).  Also, a bit of humidity in the system (with conventional fuel) will improve the engine performance.  Just a thought...

Ken

[TechStuf]

And the commensurate compression boost from 'molecular stiction' wouldn't hurt either.....Good points Ken!


TS

[rlm555339]

You must be referring to the Geet......75% water/25% gasoline.

I've considered introducing other substances such as maybe acetone or denatured alcohol but so far have not.  There is no intention of incorporating any petroleum product into this project.  If it should happen to run, we'll even figure out a different way to lube it.  While the recombination of H2 and O2 results in a different type of energy than gasoline by nature, the fact remains that it is by no means passive.  I'm certain it can be put to work if the proper conditions are met.  I don't know that a 4 cycle combustion engine designed for gasoline is the proper mechanical form to harness it but I'm sure there is one.

Maybe we should design a new engine first........then do what I'm doing.  LOL

I'll tell you this much..........until you've experienced a 2H2/O2 mixture of any quantity go through the recombination process, you simply cannot appreciate the awesome violence that water contains within.  It's pretty impressive.  (hint:  Keep your quanities very small if you plan to strike a match to it)   

[KSW]

Someone, somewhere, stated that the introduction into an engine of pure hydrogen and oxygen for combustion would eventually result in the metals becoming brittle.

this is just a small problem really, as i think the major part of it is trying to get the engine to run itself on h2/o2.

After that it would just be a small matter of producing engines out of material which wouldnt become brittle under the circumstances.

Kane

[h2o2go]

Ken
Your thoughts are probably going to be the end result of my efforts.? I posted a couple pages back about atomizing or vaporizing Biodiesel (or something) then introducing H2 at some strata in the charge to support combustion.
I am convinced that I have reduced the challenge of producing enough H2 to sustain combustion to mathmatics, but to date the numbers do not look good.? The current version of my system occupies all the space from the front seat area to the rear bumper of a little hatchback, and marginally sustains at idle.?
But, as Ron said, we first must know the limitations of a pure H2 (or H2+O2) system before we know how much fuel needs to be added.
I am still evaluating the value of water injection.? I know it improves performance in gasoline fueled engines under certain conditions and should behave as you describe, but to date, it seems the dryer the charge, the better, I keep building better and better bubblers?
I would appreciate hearing more of your thoughts on the subject.

Dave