Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[kenbo0422]

How about a turbo charging system to boost the compression?  If compressing fuel/air mixes gives higher peformance, then why not here also?  Would a turbo charging system on a small engine make sense to possibly cut down on fuel use?  Or am I confused (again)?

[pres]

My suggested 45d atc was simply a generalization.

One way to think of a h2o2 ICE power stroke is more like
"if I smack the piston top with a hammer, what crankshaft
position will generate the most torque?"
(due to much higher burn speed of h2o2)

For example, consider a connecting rod length at 2x stroke,
90-arctan(1/2)=about 63d ATDC. That is also peak speed
of piston travel (or peak "crank speed"?).
Shorter connecting rod/stroke has peak speed occuring earlier.
(however, Ron's old B&S engine is probably closer to 2-1)

A very short time after the expansion, comes the over 1000-1
gas contraction - i.e. back to h2o.
You better have the exhaust valve open so it can suck.
Actually, it would be more accurate to call it an inlet port
-since air will be going in, not out.

If one were to describe an h2o2 ICE, it would be with only
an intake port and some means to eliminate, or absorb,
the very small amount of water produced each revolution.
(or no ports needed if you can figure out some way to quickly
disassociate the water back to h2o2 - its gaseous state)

Outside of developing a miracle engine like above, it might be
more realistic to use h2o2 to augment another, slower burning,
fuel.
One that stays expanded for awhile.
At least long enough to actually use an exhaust stroke.

Maybe a "three stroke" engine: (since exhaust is minimal-1/1800)
1. compression
2. power
3. intake

Pres

[rlm555339]

Pres,

I changed the timing to 45? ATDC, making no additional changes.  The results seem to be favorable insofar as I can only seem to run the engine for about 5 seconds before (I am assuming) it runs out of fuel.  The motor seems to perform somewhat better.....not quite so much violence in the detonation.  It's smoother.



Stefan,

Thank you for the link to Chris's electrolysis experiments at oupower.com.  It prompted some rethinking as to how I am producing my fuel.  There is a lot of material so it will take some time to digest all of that 70 pages of photos, etc.



Everyone,

It seems that the longer the process runs, the more moisture is produced.  I am assuming this is because the water heats up and gets close to boiling in the reactor vessel so there has to be steam involved to a certain degree.  I think most of this is being arrested and condensed in the flashback bubblers.  Having said that, I am noticing that the motor seems to perform better after the process has been running for a 1/2 hour than in the beginning.  This is because of the moisture in the air, right?  This poses the question:  How does one let the moisture through without eliminating the flashback arrestor?  (can't do without that)m  Somehow I need to introduce mist into the carburetor. 

There's a picture of it on the second page (I think) of this thread.  Any ideas?

[TechStuf]

The introduction of a cooler mist would, I think be preferable here.? Such as those atomization characteristics afforded by a 'nebulizer' or ultrasonic humidification device.....

There are various incarnations that may be produced with acceptable levels of cost and design efficiency.


Regards,

M.R.

[KSW]

from what i can see the flashback arrestor (FBA) is just a pipe which allows the mix to bubble through?

then how about submerging it in the electrolysis tank,
and from the heat of the electrolysis the water in the FBA might also heat up and add moisture to the mix as it bubbles though.

if submerging the FBA doesnt sound too good, how about adding a small reservoir in the electrolysis chamber and fill it with water, again the heat would cause water vapour and this could be fed into the mix after the flashback arrestor.

oh and Btw on egaspower yahoo group, from what i could make out somebody recently claimed to get their lawnmower to run on the "egas" (i think this is a h2.o2 mix)
im currently awaiting more information.

Kane