Core saturation and Lenz.

[broli]

Hi broli. This is a parametric generator type. You can find some similar designs on JLN pages. He has done quite a few experiments on them. In your case the question is - can you get more, than you need, to make a parameter (permeability) change. Not so easy to do. Steorn seems to have done that, but note that he is also utilizing the rotor movement for "traditional" current generation.

The inductance doesn't have to change to gain more energy. The gained energy can be mechanical when the core piece is attracted in the gap. When the power is collapsed it can be removed again with little effort and the power you collapse should be near equal to the input power. This is also the basis of the Lindemann attraction motor. But he doesn't mention that saturation could be a good thing or the gap distance from the coil.

So it's not per se a parametric change, rather than a mechanical change that has NO parametric change.

[Airstriker]

The inductance doesn't have to change to gain more energy. The gained energy can be mechanical when the core piece is attracted in the gap. When the power is collapsed it can be removed again with little effort and the power you collapse should be near equal to the input power. This is also the basis of the Lindemann attraction motor. But he doesn't mention that saturation could be a good thing or the gap distance from the coil.

So it's not per se a parametric change, rather than a mechanical change that has NO parametric change.

Ok but how about ORBO ? You have got there both mechanical and parametric change. In your's design you want only mechanical. If Steorn barely has OU (we still don't really know if they do) then I wouldn't bet much on yours design to be OU. Right ?

[lumen]

I think the idea, is to apply power to the coil and saturate a portion of the core around the coil. Then add additional core mass in a manner that the coil does not see any change because the coil only sees a fully saturated core.

Then when the field colapses, there is a greater return because the core is now larger. I think all these cases where core saturation occures can produce an OU condition, but it's like saying, I can give a device way more energy than it can take and now it gives back more than it should. (but never more than you put in)

[broli]

A while ago I proposed a similar design which would operate as a generator. That design DOES operate on parametric change. I made a presentation about it which can be viewed here:

http://ziosproject.com/NJ/magPres/VIG/index.htm

[lumen]

A while ago I proposed a similar design which would operate as a generator. That design DOES operate on parametric change. I made a presentation about it which can be viewed here:

http://ziosproject.com/NJ/magPres/VIG/index.htm

I like the concept, and it is shown to work. But then what is wrong? Is there is a problem in possibly the current required waiting for the magnet to move away that will consume any final gain?

Again this is very close to the Steorn device.  If their device was working beyond any doubt, then why would they abandon it for the yet unproven solid state device? Makes no sense to me.