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Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build

Started by geotron, August 09, 2010, 09:38:43 PM

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Zarko

Hi Geotron,

That's a very ingenious triggered spark gap you show in your post #13.  With a non connected grid the voltage on the outer surface will increase when the charge on the rod is neutralized.  It still has the same amount of charge, with voltage related to both the charge and the capacitance.  After the center rod is neutralized the grid becomes a single terminal capacitor, with less capacitance than it had relative to the rod, so the voltage will be higher.

That reverse diode you show by the end of the converter tube is part of Gotoluc's Water SparkPlug circuit.  This is the key to making YOUR circuit work.  The WSP plasma burst occurs between the rods in the tube, and this plasma shorts out the inside of your non connected grid to the rod, leaving only the charge on the outside of the grid.  This provides the higher voltage pulse you need to trigger your spark gap.

Also read this message:

http://www.energeticforum.com/62165-post1674.html

Aaron says:  "the voltage from another source can even go backwards through a diode"

So you'll have to use a cap in the circuit which is charged from a different power supply. 

If the plasma burst between the rods doesn't short out the grid, use a smaller grid.  Or you can add a third electrode from the inside of the grid down towards the plasma spark, like the three point arc switch shown elsewhere as an "Ed Gray Test Circuit".  With the arc switch INSIDE the tube the conversion tube also becomes a "switching element".

If you try this approach I think your circuit will work.  Like I say, it's very ingenious.

geotron

To begin with I'll likely experiment with easier to obtain
voltages...  I've attached a timer circuit diagram as well, designed
by J.Bedini. 

I'll have to learn more about how the timing mechanism works, as
well as find a suitable transistor able to withstand the energy
passing through it from the battery.

Zarko

Some builders like to use 2N3055 transistors.

Are you planning to put magnets on your armature?

geotron

The part you're indicating as the armature; providing its the
electrode-tube portion, as I've heard tell of systems featuring
this configuration - Eventually I may integrate some kind of
magnetic fields with it, although to what purpose this would
serve I'm still in the dark.

Many thanks for your help I might add, and wow - lots of
interesting stuff !

After going over ... information on voltage multipliers, it
gives me uncertain thoughts that my diodes are facing the correct
direction in my post above on the HV multiplier side.  The way
its shown appears to supply a negative potential rather than a
positive one - a vacancy of electrons VS a surplus, or the literal
interpretation of negatively charged electrons being emitted from
the (-) terminal?

It appears that I've left out the spark gap portion on the output
from the tube and a suitable diode, revised below - initally it
will have an ignition coil in place of the cascade multiplier.

I've been thinking about an 80v .1uF on the LV side with a
75v zener diode, 1000v rectifier diode combination.

geotron

A layout and connection detail for the pulse timer