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Gyroscopic Particles (how they work)

Started by kmarinas86, August 21, 2010, 11:25:56 PM

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kmarinas86

Slight corrections must be made to the above.

http://tinyurl.com/2handsrule

This affects:
Version 1.0:
1) "Now consider the magnetism of a loop current consisting of the flow of negative charge. If the loop current is rotating clockwise, then north points away from you. If the loop current is rotating counter-clockwise, then south points away from you." Wrong. The reverse is true: "Now consider the magnetism of a loop current consisting of the flow of negative charge. If the loop current is rotating clockwise, then south points away from you. If the loop current is rotating counter-clockwise, then north points away from you."
2) "* You can verify this by taking your right hand and making a fist with your thumb sticking out. Now, as you lift your hand, move your thumb in the counter-clockwise direction. If you were somehow to rotate your thumb in a full circle, you would notice that the four fingers on your right hand stay inside the circle (because most people's fingers cannot reach the back side of the hand). The direction of those fingers point in the direction of north; this is the basis of the right hand rule. The polarity is determined by the direction which the fingers point when inside the circle (in this case, we are talking about the tips of the fingers). As a result, the polarity facing you in this example is NORTH. This reflects the above statement: "If the loop current is rotating counter-clockwise, then south points away from you."" Wrong. The right-hand rule assumes CONVENTIONAL CURRENT.
3) Nothing else. No other problems with Version 1.0.
Version 2.0:
Quote from: The Kmarinas86 of August 31, 2010
1) This following is to address the need for an amendment to my previous explanation for the Newman effect.

There will be several changes to the concept, and a few simplifications.

A major revision is involved to due a sign error, but a remedy has been found nevertheless.

It has come to my attention that the field in the picture of the following link points out of the page and towards the viewer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lorentz_force.svg

Therefore, if we point the north lines of a magnet away from us, and if we then move them down the wire, (1) the "negative charge" type of gyroscopic particles will be deflected to the right, and (2) it will deliver net power to the right! The former (i.e. (1)) remains the same as before, but now must correct that post with the latter (i.e. (2)).

GYROSCOPIC PARTICLES 2.0 (how they work)

Q: So how is net power produced if the forces involved must always be equal and opposite?
1.... This remedy is not necessary. What actually happens is that when north-bound gyroscopic particles are struck by copper from the bottom, it will pivot left. After this, they will be likely be struck again from the bottom by some other part of the mass (copper), again pivoting left. This result in two changes in direction which will work against the magnet (i.e. Lenz's law). This is the action. The reaction is the energy deflected on electrons and copper atoms which propagates the conductor to the right, rather than traveling along the external magnetic field.
2)
Version 3.0:
1)
Quote from: The Kmarinas86 of September 19, 2010Q: What determines the direction of eddy currents?

The second post established that:
* A north pole passing downward through a conductor laid horizontally on front of it will cause an electron current to deflect to the right.
* A south pole passing downward through a conductor laid horizontally on front of it will cause an electron current to deflect to the left.
* A north pole passing upward through a conductor laid horizontally on front of it will cause an electron current to deflect to the left.
* A south pole passing upward through a conductor laid horizontally on front of it will cause an electron current to deflect to the right.

Now consider a conducting loop of wire laid flat on a table. If you take a north pole from above and bring it closer to the loop, that loop of wire will generate an opposing magnetic field. The result is that the electron current in the loop of wire rotates counter-clockwise.

Now consider what happens if you took the loop of wire and hanged it on the wall while maintaining its shape. Now bring the magnet closer to the loop, and it should still cause the current to rotate counter-clockwise. As the magnet approaches, the lines of force of the magnet which cross the wire change from those that are bundled more tightly to those that are bundled less tightly (i.e. the field lines that are off to the side). Those that are bundled more tightly eventually pass the wire and slide toward the inside of the loop. As a result, those lines of force that are bundled most tightly are seen to move from outside the loop to inside the loop. If the magnet approaches with its north pole facing the loop, the bundle of lines below the center of loop will cause current to move to the right, while the bundle of lines above the center of the loop will cause current to move to the left, resulting in a counter-clockwise motion of current which repels the north pole.

Reversing the polarity would reverse the direction of the induced current. So too would reversing the velocity.
1.... Actually, this is totally opposite of what is correct. The current induced is clockwise, not counter-clockwise to produce an opposing north pole. This results from the lines of the north pole cutting the loop from the outside to the inside of it, causing the current to flow right on the top and left on the bottom (as well as up on the left and down on the right).
2) "Thus, per the right hand rule, if the electron is curving left (i.e. counter-clockwise from the perspective of a person looking down on its path), more clockwise-moving north-directed gyroscopic particles would be deflected upward on the left side than those deflected downward on the right side. Also, more counterclockwise-moving south-directed gyroscopic particles would be deflected downward on the left side than those deflected upward on right side." Wrong. The terms "north-directed" and "south-directed" should be swapped.
3)
Quote from: The Kmarinas86 of September 19, 2010These eddy currents, consisting of gyroscopic particles would themselves also give off gyroscopic particles, but this with these:

1) The north-directed gyroscopic particles move counter-clockwise around the current (as viewed by an observer at the source).
2) The south-directed gyroscopic particles move clockwise around a current (as viewed by an observer at the source)."
[....]

When a collision finally occurs, it most often occurs with a particle at a further radius from the point depature. The two most likely possibilites are the following:

1) North-directed gyroscopic particles are knocked inward to rotate in a smaller counter-clockwise path.
2) South-directed gyroscopic particles are knocked inward to rotate in a smaller clockwise path.
3.... Terms "clockwise" and "counter-clockwise" should be swapped.
Version 4.0:
1)
Quote from: The Kmarinas86 of September 21, 2010The above demonstrates an issue that must be clarified.

In the above example, as the north pole approaches, subsequent lines are more diagonal, for they exist off to the side of the more tightly bundled lines in the center. Thus, while individual lines are seen to translate from outside the loop to inside the loop, the conductors encounter a succession of lines of force which curls from the inside the loop (horizontal) to outside the loop (diagonal).

Thus, the north lines at the bottom half the loop switch from those that are horizontal to those that are "nose" down. Thus, it is equivalent to a north pole being rotated downwards to that bottom half the loop. This causes the current to move to the right.

For the other top half, the north lines switch from those that are horizontal to those that are "nose" up. Thus, it is equivalent to a north pole being rotated upwards to the top half the loop. This causes the current to move to the left.

Together, these cause the current to move counter-clockwise from the point-of-view of the north pole lines. The result is a repulsion.

Therefore, simplifying the cause of gyroscopic deflection of energy as being one of translation relative to the path of gyroscopic particles may in fact be contrary to experimental observations.
1.... This remediation is unnecessary and the mechanism proposed is wrong and inconsistent with the correct mechanism. The correct mechanism is that the lines cut through the wire and does generate the current necessary to provide an opposing pole (as a my recent correction above gives).
2) "Consider the difference between a static situation where the conductor does not move in relation to the magnetic field of the permanent magnet, and a non-static one:[....]Now consider a dynamic situation where work is done on the conductor to cause it to cut up vertically through the horizontally-aligned north end of the magnetic field of the permanent magnet at right angles:" Simply change the terms "north" and "south" and these sections are fixed.
Version 5.0: For the entire thing (including quoted text), the terms "north" and "south" must be changed. Everything else can be left alone.

All of the novel implications remain, such as those relating to levitation, the negative charge bias of matter, the positive charge bias of outer space, the contraction of charge radii when subject to drag forces, the time dilation of electrons, the time acceleration of atomic nuclei, the process of obtaining gyroscopic matter-energy, the explanation of the quasar anomaly, the explanation for electrical forces, the shape of the magnetic field, and "contaminated" charge etc..

http://www.youtube.com/user/kmarinas86

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--- Coincidence is nothing. ---




The following link only gives versions 1 through 5 of "Gyroscopic Particles (how they work)". Later versions will be posted elsewhere.
http://tinyurl.com/GyroscopicParticlesHowTheyWork

Later versions of "Gyroscopic Particles (how they work)" must correct for mistakes in the prior versions dealing with the relationship between polarity of the current and the polarity of the magnetic field. The TWO-HAND rule will be introduced which gives clearly the correct association of conventional current and electron current with N *and* S poles. The TWO-HAND rule, which I came up with, can be found at:
http://tinyurl.com/2handsrule


Quantum Mechanics must apply Mach's principle because otherwise it makes no sense
http://tinyurl.com/qmmach6n8

Entropy is substance
http://tinyurl.com/entropyissubstance

3.14.11 I need to be better with many of my timing predictions (LOL) The cost of my 2011 Project as of now is JUST under $600 (Added from 25 receipts including invoices from online purchases). This figure includes my purchase today of 6 cubic inches of more magnets that should prepare the way for my test with the 32" Fan blade. I will make at least one video with the small 19.375" fan before I take a go at it.

1.26.11 With the help of some Scotch mounting tape, the commutator is almost completed. The motor should be done tomorrow and a video uploaded by day's end. All necessary purchases have been made. Actual costs (including tax):

$468.80 Tot

9-07-10 $6.46 Gorilla glue (little used)
11-16-10 $109.17 Legos ($8.32 tax and $10.95 sh)
12-4-10 $113.92 First coil ($7.84 tax $11.89 sh)
12-15-11 $3.10 Self-Stick door sweep (Used to mold the coil)
1-11-11 $6.38 Shaft, nuts, pipes, washers
1-11-11 $1.19 Small twist ties (little used)
1-13-11 $2.99 Large twist ties (little used)
1-14-11 $213.55 Second coil and magnets ($14.97 tax $1.50 ins. $15.27 sh)
1-23-11 $8.18 Dremel motor brushes (4)
1-25-11 $0.86 Large washers
1-26-11 $2.50 Mounting tape

1.23.11 I project completion of the entire system by Tuesday night and a video upload by the evening of Wednesday January 26.

1.26.11 I plan to finish the magnet assembly and post a video of it on Tuesday 1-18-11 and the entire motor before the Houston Auto Show ends on January 30.

12.15.2010 I encountered problems with the tension of the wire. As a result, I am reconsidering how I will wind the coil. The coil, which was about 34.9ohms is now only about 29.4ohms. The next coil when purchased will be to match it.

12.7.2010 So much for the estimate! The package has already arrived, and its probably because it is shipped from only 300 miles away. Video soon!

12.4.2010 I have purchased the first copper coil. Estimated shipping and processing time is 7 days + weekend. It might take longer due to a special request to specifically get 11 pounds so as to not get 9, 10 or 12 pounds.

11.16.2010 I have purchased the Legos. Est. shipping time = 11 days.

[[ NEW MOTOR ]]

[ SWITCHING ELEMENTS ]

( COMMUTATOR )

● Non-magnetic
● Prefabricated
● No cutting or drilling
● 4 contacts to the battery anode
● 4 contacts to the battery cathode
● Alternating contacts on the disk (+,-,+,-,+,-,+,-)

Bare copper wire

Wrapped around legos

Stripped wire from old ribbon cables from my earlier projects

( TERMINAL LEADS HOLDER )

● Supported by the rear lego tower
● Brushes remain at their respective connections.

( COIL BRUSHES )

● Supported by the lego towers
● Connect to opposite sides of the coil.
● Change their respective connections during operation:

During switching, both brushes should be disconnected from the battery.

After switching, brushes must swap terminals.

[ IN-LINE ELEMENTS ]

( SHAFT ELEMENTS )

● Shaft: 5/16" threaded bar
● Torque transfer: Ten new square nuts 1/4" thick and 1/2" wide with a 5/16" hole
● Bearing stabilizer: Hex nuts

Edge touching bearings must be beveled to prevent jamming

● Skate Bearings

● Glue

Hold square and hex nuts on to the shaft

Already purchased for a separate purpose

( MAGNETS )

● N42 Neo

12 cubic-in (previous design 39 cubic-in)

● 8 section rotor
● Magnets move @ right angles to

the current

the magnetic fields

● N-S ring magnets attract other N-S magnets in place
● N-S magnets attract S-N magnets

N-S & S-N magnets beside and anti-parallel of each other

[ CONDUCTOR ]

● Copper Magnet Wire

22lbs (previous design 11lbs)

7000ft

● Alternate polarity 8x around the perimeter
● Windings shape similar to the "independent" sign:

Reduce redundant wire closest to the shaft

Reduce redundant wire out on the perimeter

Low-Q

More illustrations. Less words. We are most noobs in here. I did fell off the thread after reading 4-5 words...

forest

We need a short description first ( a briefing), especially when english is not our native language  ;D

1. What are those gyroscopic particles ? Electrons ? Don't think so. Ether ?
2. Where are they ? Where are they coming from ?
3. Do they push electrons ? Are they the motive force for electric current ?
4. The nature of jerk process. The magnetic field impulse is coming from where ? From electrons ? from gyroscopic particles ?

I believe Joseph Newman is right anout electricity being mechanical force on electrons. For me this force has sound-like nature.

I have also one question which still bother me : is this is true then why when I connect lightbulb between positive and negative terminal of battery it can light but not when I do the same using terminals of TWO different batteries ? It should work too, electrons are here and potential difference (voltage) can be measured between negative and positive terminals of different batteries. What am I missing here ?

Sorry, as alway I found your thread extremally interesting but also too hard to comprehend due to missing pictures/videos. I understand the problem with preparing them.

Many thanks for your deep knowledge and willingness to share it with us ! I'm desperately trying to use something similiar with jerking electrons and re-using back-emf storing in capacitor system. Still a lot to make however.

forest

Pictures, pictures ,pictures...  ;D Maybe you can make a tutorial with quarter dollar rotating with pictures ? I don't have any   :'(

kmarinas86

Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AM
We need a short description first ( a briefing), especially when english is not our native language  ;D

1. What are those gyroscopic particles ? Electrons ? Don't think so. Ether ?

They are field particles.

Here is my alternative explanation:

(Click for article) A point magnetic field is a Mass-energy-charge (MEC)

Each MEC has a constant:
*Mass
*Energy
*Charge
*Speed - The speed of every "mass-energy-charge" must be exactly equal to the speed used in deriving the mass-to-energy relationship. In this case, it is the speed of light.
*Momentum
All energy and matter are fundamentally 100% comprised of MECs.

(Click for image) A MEC. All MECs are circularly polarized. A sum of MECs may result in a elliptically polarized photon provided that the MECs added together have opposite rotations. When the oppositely rotating MECs pass each other twice per rotation at points separated by 180 degrees, such that they occasionally exist the same line radial to the path of propagation (allowing them to travel through a thin small gap), then the photon is linearly polarized.

(Click for image) Spin speed = Propagation speed

Each MEC travels in a corkscrew path:
*c = Spin speed = Propagation speed
*The spin and propagation velocities are orthogonal to each other.
*The energy inherent in the spin speed is equal to that inherent in the propagation speed. The sum of these energies for a mass m is E=mc^2.
*MECs travel along magnetic field lines such that the corkscrew motion combined with their charge produces a magnetic field aligned with the external magnetic field.
*[F]orce is an exchange of MECs.

Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AM2. Where are they ? Where are they coming from ?

* Mass and Fields
* Mass and Fields

Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AM3. Do they push electrons ?

Yes, but they can also pull electrons. Everything that is mechanical is done by them.

FINE PRINT:

When everything is made of gyroscopic particles traveling at the same speed, "pushes" and "pulls" are all but macroscopic illusions.

There is only deflection of internal kinetic energy traveling at the speed of light. Internal kinetic energy is nothing more than potential energy - they are one and the same. Gravity is the deflection of such internal energy towards a gravitating body. For example, when a pendulum swings, the kinetic energy of the pendulum is gained from its own mass, and that energy converges towards the earth. When that kinetic energy is lost to the environment due to friction losses, this produces a mass defect of that pendulum, and it is caused by the divergence of energy from the mass as a result of colliding with external mass-energy.

For charges subjected to gravity, the amount of lost energy is such that the mass-ratio of a proton and an electron at the same gravitational potential is unaltered, but their masses are not constant. All except for the most anomalous of electromagnetic effects are masked due to the perseverance of the constant charge-to-mass ratio as well as the tendency for highly proximal force pairs to be dominant, due to both the steepness of the 1/r^2 and 1/r^3 force laws, and in cosmological scales, the time-retarded potential, which prevents force pairs between highly different gravitational potentials from being identified.

Gravity and electromagnetism together compose a combined force (which you may call the GEM force) which is repulsive at close ranges and attractive at far ranges. This is directly related to the phenomenon found in a superconductor which is suspended above, below, or beside a magnetic rail. The repulsion between a superconductor and a magnet when pressed together is the same as the repulsion between two solid objects on impact, and the attraction between the superconductor and the magnet when one attempts to pull away the superconductor is the same as attraction due to gravity. In both cases, we are dealing with superconducting currents inside atoms. In both cases, the force is diamagnetic, which is an opposition to changes in the magnetic field.

The diamagnetic force occurs via thin bundles of magnetic field lines that connect every mass with every other mass, like the magnetic loops on the sun, but infinitesimal. In weak planetary magnetic fields, a two-dimensional cross-section of magnetic field lines at the infinitesimal level can resemble a pile of hay, oriented strand board, or even tossed noodles, which reflects the lack of magnetic polarization that characterizes weak-field diamagnetism.

All losses convert mass into light. Thus, converting mass (potential energy) into kinetic energy and back into potential energy (mass), as a pendulum does, without losing much of the energy to space, similar to regenerative braking technologies, should be the goal of overunity. This will, ironically, require some way of harnessing heat that is dissipated in the atmosphere as wind and/or wave energy, which one might regard as "mundane" renewables. Finite energy can be used to do unlimited positive work so as long as there is sufficient negative work recovered in the form of back-emf, photovoltaics, and/or sterling engines. The energy an economy needs to function is only the net work that is built up as stored energy in the economy's moving parts plus any accumulated losses to the environment. Recycling 90% of all energy can translate into 10 times the effective energy reserves (i.e. 100%/(100%-90%)=100%+90%+81%+72.9%+65.61%+....+etc.). Gravity is possibly the best recycler of this energy, potentially recovering 100% of all energy, which can result in a "perpetual universe". This can be the case if every photon is due to a charge-pair interaction occurring in such a way that every photon emitted by a body is directed to another mass, however distant it is, completely without exception. This may occur entirely through infinitesimally-thin magnetic field lines, like those just described in the previous paragraph, however, they must stretch as many as billions of light years, and probably even farther than that, so in all practicality, humanity does not, has not, and will not have full access to such a perpetuity.

All true magnetic field lines are infinitesimal, indivisible, and "immortal", meaning they never cease to exist. When it appears as though a magnetic field, which we observe as a finite entity, is "destroyed", all that really happens is that the true magnetic field lines making that apparent magnetic field line cave in and occupy a much smaller space, akin to taking a rubber band and curling it and/or tying it into knot(s) without ever cutting it. Thus, there is also a connection to knot theory as well, although we are talking about "knots" that are made of infinitesimally-thin magnetic field lines. Quantization and chemistry may be explained by attraction and repulsion of magnetic field lines that take the form of prime knots which force magnetic fields into particular configurations as a result of their inability to be split.

In this model, resistance is what causes the splitting of finite charge currents, and infinitesimal current is by definition superconducting because it cannot split anymore. Infinitesimal current is the infinitely split current which can no longer produce joule heat because it is the joule heat, in the purest sense, because it is the energy which makes the photons themselves. Infinitesimally-thin current has 0 AC resistance as well as 0 DC resistance. Material superconductors have no DC resistance, but they do have an AC resistance that is usually rather small.

Only with infinitesimal amounts of current is there zero deviation from the speed of light. All objects are merely compositions of this electrical energy. Objects at "rest" relative to the observer are merely amalgamations of matter where the internal momenta relative to the observer vector-sum to zero.

Concentration and dispersion of matter is derived fundamentally through the optical properties of matter, including their (frequency,direction)-dependent refractive indices, opacity, reflectivity, transparency, etc.. Predicting heat capacity from first principles would be important as well as there may be a connection with optics there too. The energy behaves as a relativistic ionic plasma (of infinitesimal charges). I predict that this idea based on optically-governed momentum transfers should eventually allow a Lorentzian Ether Theory to have a suitable replacement for the curved space-time of General Relativity, someday allowing for a completely Maxwellian and Cartesian approach to electrodynamics which also agrees with astronomical observations without a space-time metric.

In addition to all the above, it can be added that light itself could have its own internal energy at even higher speeds, asymptotically leaning towards infinite speed at ever smaller dimensions that may be resolved at higher fractal iterations in Cartesian space. More speculatively, if such super-luminal gyroscopic particles could be successfully aligned along parallel magnetic field lines, then the photons and mass-energy which they embody could themselves be transported along the magnetic field at super-luminal speeds.


Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AMAre they the motive force for electric current ?

Yes.

Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AM4. The nature of jerk process. The magnetic field impulse is coming from where ? From electrons ? from gyroscopic particles ?

Primarily it comes from electrons and their internal energy in the form of gyroscopic particles. Other particles may give their energy as well.

Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AMI believe Joseph Newman is right anout electricity being mechanical force on electrons. For me this force has sound-like nature.

Sound by itself is a very complex phenomenon. Sounds come and go; a bit like order out of chaos isn't it? Perhaps unsolved theoretical problems relating to physics of turbulence should be solved to fully understand sound itself. At smaller scales, the overlap of sound phenomenon and AC electricity is tremendous, so further study of this will probably be very useful for illuminating the details on what some have described as "longitudinal electricity". If turbulence of ideal gases is hard to model, try the "turbulence" of electromagnetic fields! Perhaps marriage of the two phenomenon can be a good idea. I propose that we should follow Newman's advice (per his book "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman") and resurrect the concept of caloric. Additionally, we should identify caloric as a density-medium of discrete charged, magnetic particles sharing the same fixed speed which have a precise mechanism for angular momentum transfer in quantum steps.

Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AMI have also one question which still bother me : is this is true then why when I connect lightbulb between positive and negative terminal of battery it can light but not when I do the same using terminals of TWO different batteries ? It should work too, electrons are here and potential difference (voltage) can be measured between negative and positive terminals of different batteries. What am I missing here ?

I am not sure why you get that result. Current should exist between batteries in the battery pack, as well as across battery packs. It could be that your voltage is too low, or the connections were not made, which could be due to a failed battery, failed connector, or something like that.

Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AMSorry, as alway I found your thread extremally interesting but also too hard to comprehend due to missing pictures/videos. I understand the problem with preparing them.

It's great that someone understands the difficultly of preparing images! To make it even more difficult, if you consider the type of material involved, animations will prove to be totally necessary to communicate the point effectively, especially given that many predictions will depend on dynamic multiple-event interactions. I'm not a 3D artist yet, and I need to become one to produce correct visuals. Before I even try to write the first line of code, I need to think of the concept map first of what I am planning, streamline it, then figure out the most condensed way to present a complete full-spectrum presentation in interactive video 3D, with versions adapted for a live studio audience when necessary, otherwise I will waste too much time producing incorrect, inaccessible, and less compelling visuals.

Quote from: forest on July 26, 2011, 05:38:04 AMMany thanks for your deep knowledge and willingness to share it with us ! I'm desperately trying to use something similiar with jerking electrons and re-using back-emf storing in capacitor system. Still a lot to make however.