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Overunity Machines Forum



N-Pole Motor Trifilar Design

Started by geotron, August 24, 2010, 05:22:32 AM

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geotron

I've been running across the trifilar design for a while now, ever since
first learning of this whole method of generating energy. I've included
the two variations, Daftman's bifilar design following.

Current Theory
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The MPS8099 transistor momentarily conducts when it recieves energy
from the trigger coil, turning the cathode output from the power coil
to recieve a charge from the 9v battery, as well as the trigger coil
from the opposite polarity.  The differing flux pole causes the wheel
to turn by magnetic propulsion.
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If a modification is in order, information is not present or I've
got it - ?  Any changes to the theory are welcome; the entire thing
reposted in its entirety or not.

mscoffman

Hello geotron;

I added some text to what you had as some additional explanation
of what is going on that would be of interest to one designing
this circuit or wanted to optimise it. I wouldn't call the 'C' a cathode
but a collector, equiv. to the positive side of a switch.

As long as you understand what's going on you can use whatever text
you want to explain it's operations. The extended explanation helps
explains the anomalies associated with this circuit in overunity mode.


Current Theory
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The MPS8099 NPN bipolar power transistor momentarily conducts when
it receives energy from the trigger coil, turning ‘on’ the collector electrode
from the power coil to ground. The coil will receive a current from the 9vdc
battery, as well as set the trigger coil to the opposite polarity.  The differing
flux pole causes the wheel to turn by magnetic propulsion. This Bedini motor
is called a monopole because the rotor magnets are either attracted to or
repelled by the coil, but not both. The trigger coil is a trade-off set to create
enough voltage and current to trigger the power transistor to saturation, but
not so much as to waste power in the transistor’s base circuit.
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The coil windings are duplexed on the Bedini iron core field coil. This means
they function as a transformer. The windings of the transformer will be 1:1:1 or
1:1 in which all windings will see the same peak-to-peak ac voltage on each,
but each has dc isolation from one another. This means the v. spike is seen
as a bidirectional pulse on the bridge rectifier.
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The differences between the two circuits shown;

The bottom circuit only charges the charge-battery on the peak of
the spike, when the spikes voltage is more positive then the sum of
of the run + charge battery voltages.

The bottom circuit diagram charges a photoflash capacitor whenever a voltage
of the the coil is |above| the instantaneous voltage on the capacitor. The
mechanical gearing ratio of the pulleys then causes the high voltage on the
capacitor to fire into and to charge the battery with a pulse pattern at
specific intervals set independently, but generally longer then, the base
frequency of the Bedini driver coil.
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Note: this the conventional explanation of the base operation of the circuit
but needs to be 'extended' for overunity energy application.

:S:MarkSCoffman

geotron

Summary of the current theory as I'm beginning to understand it -

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1) As a magnet on the wheel approaches the coils, the flux is transduced
into electrical current, charging the capacitor.

2) Once a threshold of flux is reached by the proximity of the magnet
to the coils, enough energy is being generated in the trigger coil that
it will switch on the transistor, connecting the battery onto both the
power coil and the trigger coil.

3) The flow from the battery travels through the power coil, energizing
all three coils; behaving as a transformer.  While this occurs, the
energy from the 9v battery is magnified through the transistor and is
directed into the trigger coil from the opposite direction as it is
flowing through the power coil.

4) The surge of energy into the trigger coil from the transistor
reverses the polarity of all three coils, and the wheel magnet is
propelled away, increasing the speed of the device while the 1n914
diode acts as a gate valve.

5) While the transistor remains in a positive state, it is fed through
its base with the same magnified battery power as the trigger coil until
the magnet is at a far enough distance that it weakens the current
reaching it until the battery is finally disconnected.

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Could it be that as the magnetic fields collapse at each stage and
provide surges of bEMF, it may be collected in additional capacitors
on each battery?


geotron

I've gone through a few different versions of how to properly
collect the flow of back-emf into the battery. The following diagram
will show what I ended up with - fairly straightfoward if I'm
understanding it correctly.

The second 9v battery is shown to collect foward-emf, so I'm thinking
if another rectifier and capacitor were connected in the same fashion
to the anode side only facing in the opposite direction, it would
serve the purpose of even further saturating the battery with energy
from the secondary coil.

I'm not fully certain, but couldn't the 1st 9v battery be sustained
from discharging by this method utilizing both the power and trigger
coil's bEMF energy, launching the overunity effect?

nievesoliveras

Quote from: geotron on August 26, 2010, 04:57:20 AM
I've gone through a few different versions of how to properly
collect the flow of back-emf into the battery. The following diagram
will show what I ended up with - fairly straightfoward if I'm
understanding it correctly.

The second 9v battery is shown to collect foward-emf, so I'm thinking
if another rectifier and capacitor were connected in the same fashion
to the anode side only facing in the opposite direction, it would
serve the purpose of even further saturating the battery with energy
from the secondary coil.

I'm not fully certain, but couldn't the 1st 9v battery be sustained
from discharging by this method utilizing both the power and trigger
coil's bEMF energy, launching the overunity effect?

I tried what you depict on your graph a while ago and did not get the results I wanted.
It is because it is needed a sudden spark with the aid of a capacitor in order for the battery to accept charging while doing work.

Jesus