Ed Gray's Magic Tube

[tim123]

I guess, because it's really just a fancy capacitor, taking power out could cause a drag on the driving circuit...

I'm not sure. Maybe the electron cascade would have that effect anyway - and taking the power out would remove the drag... Hmmm.

[Turbo]

Here is the graytube i build:
Second picture is the plasmatron i build.
Third is the PAGD tube circuit.

DP = Discharge Pack
CP = Charge Pack

[tim123]

Here is the graytube i build...

Awesome building skills Turbo.

I've got some bits I can use to build a tube. I might give it a go. Might read a bit more first - and see if I can understand the mechanism a bit better...

What did you find out with your experiments?

Regards, Tim

[Turbo]

Thanks Tim.

Make sure you know what your doing/building make sure you know it will do close as possible to what you want it to do.
Do not 'just build' things without any concept behind it, this is the road to discovery but also to more failures, you need to be specific in the operating mechanism or concept behind it that you try to target with your build to keep material cost and time spend low.

I found that all metal is charged up to a certain voltage because it exists in the earth's electric field.
It either has a positive, or negative charge in respect to either Earth's ground and or the top layer of the ionosphere.
Normally you do not notice this because all things around you are in a state of natural equilibrium.

When you hit the metal, or wire with a high voltage charge, you create a potential difference between the metal/wire and the environmental potential , or sky voltage, that surrounds the metal.
This is the moment the initial charge becomes visible because it get's added up to or distracts from the total sum depending on the polarities involved and or the poynts of reference.
Nature sees this man made imbalance in potential, and will give rise to a re-balancing flux, to restore the equilibrium condition.
This re-balancing flux can be loaded to create current in a secondary circuit, Yet this natural response was generated by potential only, meaning voltage, only, which is realtively cheap.

Lightning is a good example of this exact mechanism, voltage builds up to a certain threshold, and when it goes above this threshold a lightning strike will be the result.
The only difference is that in the case of a lightning strike a short is created, and there is current flow, and in the case of the high voltage only charge example above, it is a manually triggered event in stead of a result from a voltage threshold.
Besides the re-balancing flux, a portion of the energy that exists in the form of a static DC charge between the ionosphere and ground, get's converted into alternating radio waves, that exist in the electromagnetic part of the earths field.
The schumann Resonance are the result of this, and the frequencies are directly related to the dimensions involved.

I found that when you hit the already charged metal with a high voltage source, two things happen.
1. you get a natural response that can be loaded, and which settles things down again so that the charge on the metal will again be equal to the charge of the local evinronment, and 2. if you do this fast enough, and at a frequency or a division or harmonic component that is related to the resonant frequency of the metal/wire, or wavelength of the wire that is being charged up, or for example extracted by a tuned tank circuit nearby, and he who sits in darkness shall see a bright light.
So two cases are at work one namely DC high voltage source with DC pulses fast enough to 'pull open and keep open the sink' as Tesla calls it, and establish close to continous flow voltage in, current out, where the re-balancing flux is forced to flow through the load before allowed to flow back ,or, the second case where you go for the AC result, arteficial creation of Schumann Resonance on steroids, i mean of high a frequency, with the rule the higher the frequency, the smaller the receiver, the shorter the wire and etc.
In the first case the electric field of the earth is used to create a DC current in a load, and in the second case you are converting energy from the earth's electric field (DC) into radiowaves in the earth's electromagnetic field (AC).
Both things happen at the same time but it depends on how fast you are switching pulse it only once to stay on the DC to DC side and/or pulse it in an alternating fashion close to or at the target wavelength of the wire to max out the AC conversion component.
I am not sure how to explain it otherwise hope you can make some good use off of it.

One more thing,
The textbooks never take into account the external electric field, or Pre-Charge that already exists on the wire or metal and this is where people fail to understand or explain the principle.
Make sure not te get discouraged by the textbook know it all's instead keep an open mind and go see what's out there.
There is an awefull lot of voltage available and you get the biggest response, by creating the largest re-balancing flux, so, by using a voltage as high as possible but be carefull please.

You can click my website button for a good example.

[tim123]

Hi Turbo,
  I find building things is always worthwhile - even if, i don't get it right... And while it's a good idea to know what you're testing - that can evolve...

I've built tube mk 1 - images attached.
- central HV electrode is a welding rod
- LV electrode is a bolt in the blue lid
- supports for mesh are correx
- mesh is aluminium modelling mesh
- tube is from an old drain clearing set.

I'll be running it from a car coil, 12v battery (maybe 2 for 24v), signal generator & a fast solid-state-relay

I've tried enclosing a spark in a coil, and in a tinfoil capacitor - with interesting results... I get high voltages, with a little current. There is notable resonance with both - but the frequency is very high - much faster than I could easily power with my driver...

This design - with the mesh - allows for movement of ions / electrons between the 2 meshes. So I'll be hoping to see more current. I'd like to try to get electron cascades between the meshes - but I'll likely have to study, and make a new power supply... At least I'll learn stuff - I always do. Eventually.

I'll have to read your last post a couple more times i think. Interesting ideas.