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[Rosemary Ainslie]

Was that before he soaked it in salt water? There would still be salt in the coil if he did that first. Also is the distilled water picking up ions from the copper and iron?

It intrigues me that - regardless of what an experimentalist claims - the readers of that experiment impose their own 'take' on the claim.  Is that even scientific?  My take is that when someone writes something then that's what they mean.  What Laser told us was words to the effect 'It works fine with distilled water.'  There are NO qualifications.  You're making assumptions Iota.  And as regards the 'ions'.  If there are 'ions' around - here and there - then one must surely accept that such are readily available either in the water - or in the metals - EVERYWHERE.  If these are being used?  So what?  I still argue they're part of that 3rd element.  The ONLY condition that would then still confirm that this is a 'battery' would be if the metals 'rust' into an unusable powder.  I'm reasonably sure that the only metal that can rust in laser's rig is the iron.  But the confusions then come from the observed fact that Bill's rigs do NOT rust.  2 years and climbing and - NO SIGHT OF RUST?  How then can you attempt to argue an electrolytic process? 

MileHigh also mentions that the deep sea oil rigs are protected by electrical currents imposed on the metal - that somehow prevent corrosion from sea water.  I would propose that - since we know there's a flow of current - then perhaps this is the reason that Bill's coils stay pristine - over time - and regardless of the weather.  And perhaps, by the same token - this is the reason that Laser's rig shows no further sign of rust.  And again.  Evidence of continuing rust would be the only actual proof that there's a 'cost' to this supply of energy.   

Within most solid materials a current arises from the flow of electrons,...

This has NEVER been proved.  No-one has ever seen 'spare' electrons in any circuitry.  All atoms' electrons in and outside a battery are always fully accounted for.

...which is called electronic conduction.

Never heard the term.  I've only heard of induction or conduction - depending on the material and the application - and electricity and electrical current flow.  With respect I'm not sure what electronic conduction means - if anything. 

In all conductors, semiconductors, and many insulated materials only electronic conduction exists, and the electrical conductivity is strongly dependent on the number of electrons available to participate to the conduction process. Most metals are extremely good conductors of electricity, because of the large number of free electrons that can be excited in an empty and available energy state.

Again, and with the utmost respect - this is nonsense.  There are NO OBSERVED PROVEN 'FREE ELECTRONS' ANYWHERE AT ALL - least of all in the energy levels of atoms - which I think is what you're trying to refer to here.

Someone correct me if im wrong here. If the magnetic rotor produces enough v/a on the copper,and the reed switches keep the rotor spinning,then wet or dry it should continue to cycle back and forth as a self sustaining electromagnet.

Really Iota.  Nothing unusual here?  I would have thought that the concpet of a self sustaining electromagnet would be really HOT news.  LOL.

Except for the Earth. As long as the Sun shines and the Earth revolves the power will be there.

I'm not sure that the earth can be considered to be a battery?  But if it is - then by the same token - the only measurable flux field is a magnetic field and I'm not sure if it's sunshine that powers that 'spin'? 

His setup is a standard earth battery and not a coil.

That - Iota - is your opinion only, based as it is on the assumption that there's anything at all that is standard about any of these two rigs.  As I've said - unless and until all the iron in all those coils finally OXIDISE into an unsuable powder - then it remains unproven to be battery. 

Knowing where Bill lives there is still moisture below ground. If its too wet there is a voltage drop. I think this applys to both the Ns coil and standard earth battery.

Interestingly - Bill's rig show NO RUST AT ALL.  What do you make of that?  With or without water - with or without ions?  What exactly is depleting?  Where is there any evidence of a 'cost' if the materials last and last?  Where does the actual ENERGY come from that is lighting his LED's?

Rosemary
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[Magneticitist]

First of all, i hardly see how Mr. Thomson observing cathode rays deflect and split is enough evidence to fully adhere to the "electron" or "corpuscles" idea. I feel like simply observing the distinction of subatomics is enough.
Why is it that to this very day, Leedskalnin STILL has the most logical theory regarding these "sub atomics", being that they are simply N and S "particles" if you want to call them that. And they are very observably equal in strength and motion.  To say that they are of equal charge but differing greatly in mass and motion seems to be a serious experimental oversight.
Ed had already pointed out in the early Crookes tube experiments the supply batteries being used were of different capacity, and the way they were attached provided more warmth and conductivity on the negative terminals. The end result was concluding the lazy massive proton remained stationary within the nucleus while the small nimble electron ran around it, and could be knocked away if running freely, to run toward another stationary proton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO3dXCsyBC4&feature=player_embedded

In reality it would be more logical to claim the + and - or N and S charges are running towards and through each other.

The next most logical theory which I have read concerns the atomic structure or the supposed particles within. According to a Matt Emery, the individual particles which are the + and - charges are in the shape of a helix, being that the shape allows for stretching and condensing (voltage and current), and being able to "screw" into any mass and pass through it. Also, the clockwise and counterclockwise directions they travel would allow the helical shape to pass through itself perfectly like strands of DNA. The current atomic model seems to me like a huge leap of theoretical faith.

I understand the irony of an individual such as myself stating apparent flaws or miscalculations in modern science, which have supposedly been tested time and time again by the best and brightest using the most expensive and advanced tools.. But I'm not the only one, and have the advantage of looking at it from a unbiased perspective, while most of these "best and brightest" have achieved this acclaim through an Elite categorization, which most of the time just means they had excelled greatly in the department of being able to kiss ass and swear by their teachings. The scientist believes he "knows" something when he labels it a fact, but as others have said, this fact was most likely concluded using the "facts" and equations of previous pioneers who may have been WRONG because their followers never questioned these facts and accepted them as empirical.

Second, why argue whether the Stubblefield is in "fact" a battery or not? All batteries die eventually, as all things eventually change..  People have built aerials and other large conductors that capture passing waves and have been able to charge capacitors and run small motors with them.
I have seen the video of CosmicGnarler light an av plug standing under HV power lines, and im fairly sure the reception would increase if he used a stubblefield-like inductor.. I also notice daily my little darlington quadruplet circuit switch on and off at the slightest of bodily movements from across the room, and tends to act differently depending on whatever may be going on in the nearby vicinity.

I know for a fact that even regular tap water, containing many supposed positive charges and not as many "electrons" can fully charge a car battery when used as the electrolyte. The chemical reaction still takes place and produces what is needed for a charge. The plates in the battery will eventually die this way, as they would eventually over time no matter what. As someone pointed out as long as the Sun exists we have energy, and the Sun is a battery that will eventually die also..

If we are talking about whether or not its a "battery" or not, we still have to acknowledge that its energy, in some shape or form, that has been passed along from another shape and form. Whether it is chemical, or atmospheric, its still going to be BOTH at the same time.

(IMO lol)

[IotaYodi]

Quote from: IotaYodi on Today at 01:34:12 PM
    Was that before he soaked it in salt water? There would still be salt in the coil if he did that first. Also is the distilled water picking up ions from the copper and iron?
It intrigues me that - regardless of what an experimentalist claims - the readers of that experiment impose their own 'take' on the claim.  Is that even scientific?  My take is that when someone writes something then that's what they mean.  What Laser told us was words to the effect 'It works fine with distilled water.'  There are NO qualifications.  You're making assumptions Iota.  And as regards the 'ions'.  If there are 'ions' around - here and there - then one must surely accept that such are readily available either in the water - or in the metals - EVERYWHERE.  If these are being used?  So what?  I still argue they're part of that 3rd element.  The ONLY condition that would then still confirm that this is a 'battery' would be if the metals 'rust' into an unusable powder.  I'm reasonably sure that the only metal that can rust in laser's rig is the iron.  But the confusions then come from the observed fact that Bill's rigs do NOT rust.  2 years and climbing and - NO SIGHT OF RUST?  How then can you attempt to argue an electrolytic process?

The only assumption ive made is if the salt water was used first and thats a valid concern if the coil wasn't broken down and cleaned. I believe even with pure water that ions would be picked up from the copper or iron. Unless someone disproves it. Current flow inhibits rust and has already been proven by science.  Im not arguing electrolytic process. There may be some but seems to be checked by current flow as far as materiel depletion. The question of the distilled water picking up ions still stand.

Quote from: IotaYodi on Today at 01:34:12 PM
  With respect I'm not sure what electronic conduction means - if anything.

Standard term to differentiate ionic flow from electron flow. 2 separate flows that can produce electricity according to physics. The Ionic flow may be cold electricity.

Again, and with the utmost respect - this is nonsense.  There are NO OBSERVED PROVEN 'FREE ELECTRONS' ANYWHERE AT ALL - least of all in the energy levels of atoms - which I think is what you're trying to refer to here

Free to move not free electrons. Copper has 29 electrons. If one is forced out of its shell and into the next atom forcing that one into the next and so on making a flow of electrons. This is how Im perceiving it. If the electrons dont leave their shells then an explanation is in order for me to understand.

Quote from: IotaYodi on Today at 01:34:12 PM
    His setup is a standard earth battery and not a coil.
That - Iota - is your opinion only,

No. Unless bill has changed his set up he did not have a coil. He had a simple Anode and cathode and did not use iron wire.

Quote from: IotaYodi on Today at 01:34:12 PM
    Knowing where Bill lives there is still moisture below ground. If its too wet there is a voltage drop. I think this applys to both the Ns coil and standard earth battery.
Interestingly - Bill's rig show NO RUST AT ALL.  What do you make of that?  With or without water - with or without ions?  What exactly is depleting?  Where is there any evidence of a 'cost' if the materials last and last?  Where does the actual ENERGY come from that is lighting his LED's?

If he hasnt changed his setup the materiel's he used doesnt rust other than a little oxidation on the copper wire. He has a large anode and cathode and that helps. In my opinion the actual energy comes from the constant telluric currents being produced in the earth. What exactly is depleting is a good question.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Hello Magneticitist.

The beauty about any physics theory is that it is either partially or completely right.  Else it would hardly survive a moment.  And I do not, for a moment, propose that our Greats are wrong in essentials - hardly.  They've all led us to where we are today.  And the technological revolution abounds - unstoppable and breathtaking.  It's all amazing.  And our scientists have every cause to be proud of their achievements.  But.  They are simply WRONG if they conclude that electrons are the cause of current flow.  It quite simply does not 'stack' - not logically.  I personally think that Leedskalnin knew how to defeat the gravitational pull - and his work pays tribute to some such miracle.  And his work is not even referenced in schools.  Personally I have difficulty with his monopolar subdivision of that quintessential particle - but at least he unquestionably proposed this as the material structure of 'charge'.  And he's not alone.  I believe Tesla also pointed to 'dark' energies or to 'force fields' as the source of all energy.  Also contra 'popular belief'.  And I also think that 'belief' has become the preferred method of anlaysis.  It seems the public and our scholars are actively discouraged from looking at 'inconvenient truths' - as phrased by Al Gore - albeit in a different context.

The reaon I go on and on about the definition of Laser's rig - being either a battery or a generator - or both? is because it really, really matters - in the same way that Tesla matters, or Leedskalnin.  Can you imagine where we would be today if mainstream had picked up on the significance of the remarkable research conducted by forum members on the Joule Thief?  Or can you imagnine where our physics would have moved if those many questions still outstanding in physics were simply acknowledged?  And here we have a development where simple applications of what seems to be pure inductive principles - are fuelling what also seems to be perpetual motion!  Why is this not being shown in classrooms?  Why is it not being filmed and shown as Hot News through our media?  Surely?  If it's perpetual motion we should be shown this.  And if it's not perpetual motion it should be explained.  But not with the facile arguments used in these forums.  At least then use those arguments that can be more completely understood.  A battery - in essence - requires the systematic transfer of energy from one medium to another at the cost of some material depletion in one or other of those two mediums.  In this alone it appears that neither the Joule Thief's nor Laser's rendition of the Nathan Stubblefield coil - comply.  That definitely confronts conventional understandings - all over the place. And while everyone is happy to point to scientific achievements - the truth is that science has NOT progressed much since the turn of the century - or since quantum mechanics was forged.  We really need to move on to new questions and new paradigms.  For the  crying need to re-introduce some logic into science if not for sake of our planet's poor state of health.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

[Mk1]

Dark energy = unknown energy .

I will say that 5 types known , but what is causing those 5 recognized forces , i will postulate that the root of those are from the conversion from dark energies .

Is electricity an action or a reaction , first off as long as it works who cares , but now we are beyond that , some times a mirror is all that is needed to see a complete picture .

I saw this video http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/56623/Secret_UFO_Propulsion_System_Boyd_Bushman_Lockheed/

I sure would love talking with him .

Mark