pat. 3469130 Jines, J.E. Magnetic Motor, does it work?

[tbird]

Hope,

you maybe right about the other thread.  for now, there are at least a few of us who can find time to look at this.  we'll hang in there and see what develops.

NTesla,  wings,

those are interesting machines and data, and good food for thought, but a bit off the design (jines) in this thread.

stating the obvious, the question is "can the shield be moved away and back over the stator magnet with less energy than the machine can provide by attracting the metal piece on the rotor to a magnet in the stator?".

if no, what needs to be changed so it can work?

tom

[tbird]

also, i would like other opinions on what the shield would do on its own without the spring and not connected to anything.  in other words if it were installed and had to be operated by hand, where would the shield starting point be?  how much effect would the stator magnet have on the shield?

about the shield....

i think it will be attracted to the magnet (more so) as the rotor block is.  let's say the force is 10 units.  since the rotor block will not be as close as the shield, its attractive force will be less, let's say it is 7 units.  how can 7 units provide enough force to move a shield that is being attracted by 10 units?  in this case, the spring.  if it is compressed with 11 units of force, if not restricted by the cam, will uncover the magnet.  to overcome this force to move the shield back over the magnet, the cam only has to provide 1.something units plus the effort to overcome the angle of the cam ramp.

does this now sound more reasonable?  might it work?

tom

[Low-Q]

about the shield....

i think it will be attracted to the magnet (more so) as the rotor block is.  let's say the force is 10 units.  since the rotor block will not be as close as the shield, its attractive force will be less, let's say it is 7 units.  how can 7 units provide enough force to move a shield that is being attracted by 10 units?  in this case, the spring.  if it is compressed with 11 units of force, if not restricted by the cam, will uncover the magnet.  to overcome this force to move the shield back over the magnet, the cam only has to provide 1.something units plus the effort to overcome the angle of the cam ramp.

does this now sound more reasonable?  might it work?

tom

The problem with shields, are that they affects the magnetism as much as they are being affected by the magnetism - ofcourse. So any attemt to apply or remove a shield require ofcourse the net force per distance that will occour in the motor to provide torque per revolution. You must apply energy to the shields to make them doing the job you want. There is no way a magnet motor can supply shielding by its own power, because the shield are depended on the motormagnets as much as the motormagnets are depended on the shields. It's very logic when you think about it.

[wings]

The problem with shields, are that they affects the magnetism as much as they are being affected by the magnetism - of course. So any attempt to apply or remove a shield require of course the net force per distance that will occur in the motor to provide torque per revolution. You must apply energy to the shields to make them doing the job you want. There is no way a magnet motor can supply shielding by its own power, because the shield are depended on the motormagnets as much as the motormagnets are depended on the shields. It's very logic when you think about it.

thinking about how to shield the magnetism there are different ways
- by magnetic material like METGLAS Mu-METAL - Containing the Field
- by diamagnetic like -pyrolitic graphite - Expelling the Field
- by electric system - switching the field expelling or containing the field (like Astronauts Radus boots)
... and different geometry

http://www.coolmagnetman.com/magshield.htm

[lwh]

...There is no way a magnet motor can supply shielding by its own power, because the shield are depended on the motormagnets as much as the motormagnets are depended on the shields...

I share that opinon.  It's like thinking something like this can be real, only it's harder to see and more tempting to believe in -