Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[Koen1]

Koen1, I could have swore that the author had been found dead at a airport long term parking area?

Well, yes you could have sworn that, but you would have been awfully wrong.
The author of the Electrinium pdf was Arthur P. Summera, the guy found dead at an airport parking lot
was Arie M. De Geus of Dutch origin. Two very different people.

Please get your facts straight before you try to be a smart ass.

We also do have some who claim to have such a battery but they have not reveled what they are made of.

Yes, we have such claims. Like the claims from John Hutchison.
And?

John does say that his are made of mixtures of intricate crystals.

Yet refuses to elucidate on the
ratios, exact quantities, and even on exact compositions of "ingredients"...

I believe MPI claims to have a battery that never needs to charged.

Well as far as I know Magnetic Power Inc claim to have several OU devices, but I have not heard
them claim a crystal cell or unlimited battery...

Based on your comment stating your doubt, you must not have checked the "validity" for yourself.

Sigh. Yes I have and have found it to be a bunch of bull.

I think it is worth checking out unless we can find a replicable person to say they have and found it not to be as it is said to be.

You want to find a "replicable person"?
A person you can replicate? kidding
Dude, you really don't bneed to find a clone before you can figure out that the Electrinium paper contains a huge amount of nonsense.
Really. Just think about it. Summera says atoms get smaller as their number of protons and electrons as well as their mass increase. That is plain incorrect!
He says there is somehow a "Central Sun" that emits radiation "at right angles to" the radiation coming from our "Solar Sun", and that these two radiations
intersect at 90 degrees where the earth is, resulting in both the earth magnetic field and gravity. If you just think about it for a minute, that can't be correct,
because that would mean that on the shadow side of the earth we shouldn't have gravity or at least we should have a reversed magnetic field. And that is assuming
that an AC field and a DC field at 90 degrees to eachother do indeed produce gravity and magnetism as Summera claims, and that is another one of those things that
has never been shown to work. As far as we know and have tested, a DC field intersected at 90 degrees by an AC field, does not generate magnetism nor
gravity in that specific region of space at all.
Then there's the different mistakes he makes throughout the paper, talking about "AC current" being emitted by a Central Sun... come on, even assuming there would be
"AC current" flying through space, it is impossible to make that produce a continiuous force like gravity all over the surface of our planet, since the irradiation only comes from one
point in space and can thus never generate a spherical and radially oriented force field, nor can the moving earth always be in the same intersection spot.
Furthermore, the guy acts as if he's the big wizard who knows it all, but when push comes to shove all of a sudden he does not know whether the Silver-Iron compound
he himself brought up actually consists of two, or rather of three Iron atoms per Silvr atom. Now that is very odd for someone who has spent the entire preceding chapter
hammering on the importance of the mass/volume ratios of the atoms and the "harmonic life vibration"; at least the example he presents should be a clear cut example
where he should have perfect knowledge of what the example atoms should do. Instead, all of a sudden he does not know the atomic ratios, which as he himself
pointed out are crucial for this to work at all. So the big specialist who repeats over and over again that we need to follow the "new universal rule" of atomic mass/volume
ratios and their harmonic combinations, all of a sudden doesn't know how to apply that rule or how to properly calculate those ratios anymore?
Now that's suspicious...
And when that gets followed up by a piece of text in which he says, on the same page even, that 1) Silver-Iron compound produces 2 volts and then the next paragraph
that 2) Silver-Iron compound yields 7 volts per molecule, it is obvious he is stating conflicting information.
Either the bimetallic potential difference between two metals produces 2 volts, or it produces 7. Which is it? Is our great electrinium specialist now all of a sudden
also confused with respect to simple bimetallic voltages?

So he messes up simple chemical compounds and simple bimetallic voltages,
and that in your opinion sounds like a solid and valid theory?

This information is not off topic and it does pertain to this thread as well as others like it.

This information is off topic: it is about the Electrinium religion, not about the Crystal Cell reseaerch discussed in this thread.
I concede that it may be related to certain points, but it is too wrong on too many points to be considered as a serious part of the
Cell research we have been doing. It doesn't even connect with Hutchisons ideas of the functioning principles of a Crystal Cell, nor
does it accord with my ideas on them.
Like I said to Drannom, if you must then by all means make a seperate Electrinium thread.
But please don't pollute our nice Crystal Cell thread with such shaky hypotheses as the Electrinium one...

It is said to be a crystal that holds and or attracts electricity and that can be used for what we are looking for provided it is what has been stated to be.

Sigh. And it is clearly not what it was stated to be, as critical analysis of the paper will show tons of flaws in reasoning and also many factoids claimed to be true that
are not. Jus read it and use you brain. Atoms are very much not like our solar system, in contrast to what Summera believes.
Really, why is it so hard to just read the pdf and think it over, and conclude that a person who has so much trouble differentiating between an atom and a solar system,
who does not see that a perpetually orbiting earth can never continuously receive irradiation by two seperate radiation sources perpendicular to eachother in any form
that is other than a nonhomogenous and variations form? Ergo that if that were so, we would have to experience regular increases and decreases of gravity and magnetism
depending on what region on earth you're on. Well, we don't.
So forget about that Central Sun nonsense. Forget about the claimed "new universal laws", it's al bull. What then are we left with?
Atoms and Electrinium. Ok, fine. But as soon as he starts demonstrating his lack of knowledge about those as well, by plainly stating how he doesn't know exactly
how many atoms the Silver-Iron molcule consists of, and by later stating different voltages for it, then that too loses most of its credibility.

I personally am going to continue to research this crystal and possibly experiment with it.

Really? Great!
So you're going to build a two-stage kiln able to reach 1400+ degrees celcius, with a pedestal able
to move a melting crucible from the bottom to the top stage, then you're going to pour in the mix of
molten silver-iron and borozon at very high temperature, and then slowly lift the crucible up untill the surface
becomes cold enough to crystallise, then drop a silicium seed crystal in the molten silicium and having
the entire crucible slowly cool down, then you're going to heat the thing up to about 1200 degrees or so
again so it becomes soft, then apply a high voltage DC for hours on end, then cooll it, then cut it,
and then you'll have a version ready for testing... ??

Well I'm all for that. If it does turn out to work, then I will officially retract my earlier statements about
the Electrinium papers and mr. Summera.
But first you'll have to make one. 
Do you have the facilities for that?

@Drannom: this is your last warning! Please post your "Central Sun" stuff in your own thread! It has nothing to do with our Crystal Cell thread,
so please stop polluting our thread! If you keep it up, I will ask Stefan to whipe your posts or at least move them into a seperate thread
where you can post about your Electrinium Central Galactic Sun religion all you like without stuffing up our thread with it!

[jeff0516161]

I think his posts should belong in here, for me it makes sense to keep Dranoms findings in this thread.
@Koen you seem to have a very large EGO.

[dcarlson]

@Jeff...I strongly disagree with you....the Electrinium garbage belows somewhere else.  Sure seems like you and Drannom should start your own thread.

[Pirate88179]

I agree with dcarlson and Koen1.

Bill

[Drannom]

The Permanent Electrinium Battery
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sNZNoNPI3hc&feature=related
http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/electrinium.pdf

i agree that Dcarlson don't like electrinium, he was the first bringning it up here, and it was wonderful for me

i know much more about Central Sun, my link above on Super-Light is not bad at all, it is not a religion , it is scientific theory ! i have perform many research in my own language, by reading electrinium everything correlate with my previous research

every radiant device radiate somehow Central Sun, understanding it make it easy to create devices, any devices

if you take a long chain of caps in sery, if you put current to the both ends the caps in the middle will charge ! so electricity is much more than electron, it's an unbalance in Central Sun harmony, electricity do the balance in the eather

all crystals shine more super light thant all ordinary structure, crystals are OU !