Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[jeanna]

I'm surprised that the gradings of POWER = SIZE are coming to me from a girl.....

LOL Sutra

Jeanna

[ian middleton]

G'day all,

@sutra: Well done mate thats a good effort. I think you should try and sell it back to Fiat as a modification.    3 burnt and fused fingers = 75kV.
Anyway you can learn alot from girls, and as far as size, well they learn alot from me.

All you need now is an EHT rectifier.

Keep up the good work, and that goes for the girls too 

Ian

[Koen1]

Hehehe
Hi guys!

Nice going there Sutra! Nice pics too
How exactly did you apply the voltage? Did you apply it directly, to the
inner and outer electrodes of the cell? Or electrostatically, by
wrapping an isolator around the cell and a conductor around that. etc?
(there's one variation you might want to try?)

And of course all praise to Jeanna for such a sudden jolt
of very helpfull information on sparks!

As for myself, I'm awaiting delivery of a few powders so I can finally test
my artificial tourmaline "recipe". Just have to find the right temperature,
which may be difficult... But hey, I suppose it's a bit like baking
a cake when you don;t know the oven settings... you get it wrong the
first time, probably the second, but by the third time you should be
getting a good idea of what the right temperature is to make your cake
bake just right... ...right?

Good luck experimenting, everybody!

[sutra]

@ Koen1,
The current have been applied directly as you can see in the picture.
I think that the option you are suggesting since some time now of submitting the cell to indirect potential is interesting and I was wondering if, with the high voltage I can reach, it would be enough just connecting the output of the coil to the positive electrode of the cell: in this way, the cell should "feel" the potential without wrapping everything in different layers of material (not so easy to do due to the temperature of the cell).

@ all
as an update:

After 2 hours of "aging" the cell was pumping 0,150 V at 0.6 mA (0,080 V increase)
After 10 hours, the cell is now reversed and remarkably heat and mechanical shock sensitive.
I put the cell in the freezer to see what happens to the voltage.

P.S.: HIGH VOLTAGE IS FUN !!!

[Koen1]

@ Koen1,
The current have been applied directly as you can see in the picture.

Ok, I thought so, but you might already have tried it electrostatically as well eh

I think that the option you are suggesting since some time now of submitting the cell to indirect potential is interesting and I was wondering if, with the high voltage I can reach, it would be enough just connecting the output of the coil to the positive electrode of the cell: in this way, the cell should "feel" the potential without wrapping everything in different layers of material (not so easy to do due to the temperature of the cell).

Good point. I thought about this when I first pondered the differences between electrostatic and electrodynamic polarisation, and this is sort of the
conclusion I still adhere to: If we were to connect a direct current feed to either the inner elecrode (the rod, and in most Al-tube based cells the positive electrode)
or the outer electrode (the Al tube itself, usually negative), and leave the other Cell electrode disconnected, there should indeed still be a mostly electrostatic
polarisation effect. But if we feed hV DC into the central rod, even though that should indeed cause negative particles to move away from the rod and cause
positive particles to move toward the rod and that clearly is a way to polarise the material, there is a chance that charges conducted through the cell material
accumulate at the outer electrode and that part of the accumulated charge dissipates into the air... I mention this because I recall from the classic Leyden Jar
capacitor (sealed glass tube with metal layer on the inside and one on the outside, wires to the layers, charges fed to the wires) that it had this typical characteristic
of storing charge only when the negative charge was applied to the inner plate, and not storing but rather dissipating the negative charge when it was applied
to the outer plate. The reason was much later found to be related to photovoltaics as well as charge absorption by air, basically whatever excites the electrons
on the outer plate causes them to "jump" off into the air, but when sealed inside the glass tube they can't go anywhere except for the wire. So I guess I'm saying
that there may be a DC component in this form of "static" polarisation.
In any case, it is mainly for this reason that I prefer the other method of wrapping isolator and conductor layers around the outer electrode.
That way, we can do something very similar, yet make sure that "Leyden Jar dissipation effect" does not occur, or at least, not in the cell
itself. By wrapping the tube in these two layers, the entire outer tube is turned into a capacitor, and the static charge on it can be induced
without adding or removing any charges to or from the Cell, while we can be fairly sure that there is no DC component, no matter how small.
You could of course also connect a capacitor to your hV cathode, and connect the cap's secondary plate to the Cell electrode you want to
give the strong positive charge, and similarly connect another cap to your hV anode, and connect that secondary to the other Cell electrode
to give it negative charge. Since the caps secondary plates must now "pull" these charges from inside the Cell, the cell should polarise accordingly.

Hope this is helpfull?

P.S.: HIGH VOLTAGE IS FUN !!!

LOL yeah it is isn't it? Just watch out you don't zap your finger too often eh.

@all: don't know if you guys noticed, but that French guy who kept going on and on
about the Electrinium pdf is now reinventing the wheel in a new Electrinium thread
on this forum. It is horrible to see how many people actually seriously discuss that
Electrinium thing... And also to see how little they know about anything...
They are moving through phases that they could have skipped if they'd just read
what we have been posting the past year or two: they've now superficially grazed
the subject of polarisation and have finally reached the point where they've
discovered there is such a thing as the Electret, and are now superficially
guesstimating how one could be made and how much that would look like
an Electrinium unit. It's sort of the Crystal Cell Thread for Dummies.
They have yet to figure out that there's much more to it than just polarising
materials, that that is not enough to produce strong currents.
Just thought I'd let you guys know.
Please don't stimulate them.