Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[jeanna]

Here is a pic of the cheese tub with the same crystal as the other. This is the one with some of the Al foil dissolved. I put the + probe at 12 oclock. The - probe is on that spiral wire. Both are Al.

Yesterday there was no difference between this tub and the juice can. both around 0.120vdc in the AM and 0.150vdc in the PM .

Today. after the last post I decided to check the tub. 0.405vdc and 24uA. Big improvement eh?

[Drannom]

here the 2 sentences  from chapitre 9 of electrinium.pdf

...

The body of the Unit could be made from a number of materials such as steel. Silicon, Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage, so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to make.

...

so why not try the easy way first !? 

[Koen1]

Hi rockers 

Ah, yes, to eliminate galvanic effects on the output using two identical electrodes
should work... And trying to get the ph neutral should work also.

Koen,
Does a zeolite really look like dry cement?

Well of course not all cements look the same, but as long as you're talking
about rocks that are white-ish and have a hard and dry consistency like cement,
I think zeolite comes quite close...
I'll attack a pic of zeolite that looks exactly like the zeolite I have back home,
and you'll see what I mean. although perhaps I should note that as soon as
water is added the zeolite I have tends to colour slightly blueish grey instead
of white, and it turns whiter the more it dries out.

It is quite plausible you have already made a zeolite. I have made a few ceramics
that looked and behaved darn similar to the zeolite mineral I bought.
Typical test to see if you have true zeolite or "just" something very close to it
in the aluminosilicate family is this:
Put some of the rock in a small pan, preferably in the form of gravel. Add some water,
so the rocks are wet and in a tiny pool of it. Heat it on a stove.
Zeolite will now start "dancing" and "jumping" in the pan as the water it contains
evaporates through the pores of the material, and this will generally make a hissing
sound and the rocks will at least shake and quiver if not actually jump up a bit.
Other aluminosilicates generally do not do this.

If so, maybe I was more successful than I realized.

Yep, you may very well be

[Koen1]

here the 2 sentences  from chapitre 9 of electrinium.pdf

...

The body of the Unit could be made from a number of materials such as steel. Silicon, Germanium, Carbon and others. Each of these materials would be suitable for an Electrinium Unit designed for a particular purpose. Units made with steel bodies would be of an extreme voltage, so high that they could not be cut and assembled into batteries, but they would be very easy to make.

...

so why not try the easy way first !? 

I read the pdf again last night because you brought it up again.
I also dug up the notes I made about it in the past.
Here's what I found then, and I still agree with that:
- the author first starts talking about a unit made of Iron-gold "electrinium compound",
encased in iron. So basically just gold atoms inside of a block of iron.
He does not continue that line of reasoning, just breaks it off, and then
he starts over again with a description of a prototype unit, which all of a sudden
is a lot more complicated than simply adding some gold to some molten iron.
This suggests the author had not actually thought the entire thing through
in detail yet, before he started the chapter on the prototype; after all, why not
describe the simplest version to make and then describe how to make it
as a prototype? Why instead talk about a version that sounds like it is easier to
make but then choose a more difficult one as prototype? It can only be
because while thinking about the apparently simpler version the author
realised he had not taken everything into account properly and has realised
that even making a simple prototype is much more difficult than he had originally
thought. To not lose face he does not point this out.
- the final prototype procedure he describes is far from simple and even has
a few great big question marks attached to it.
Melting pure silicium takes at least 1420 degrees C, melting iron takes 1538C,
and melting silver takes 962C. The author assumes we can make Iron-silver
molecules, which I guess is possible by chemical reaction of elements in
solution, but he seems to assume that these molecules will remain seperate
molecules even when we mix them with the molten silicium at 1420C.
Since that is almost double the melting temperature of silver, and since
I do not know of any silver-iron alloys such as suggested by the author,
it seems to me that that is a bit optimistic to say the least.
But even if we assume that we can have Ag-Fe molecules at that high
temperature, as the author suggests, then it is still almost undoable
to first melt all of the ingredients again, then mix them up at those
high temperatures, and them pour them into another crucible.
If you have specialised equipment so you can actually perform those
acts inside a blazing hot oven/kiln of 1500 degrees then it is possible.
But who has that kind of equipment?
And then we need to have the molten silicium crystallise and cool down.
Which should indeed work the way he describes. But that is again not
easy and needs special alteration of the oven/kiln.
And it assumes that silicium with a high level of silver and iron pollution
in it does not experience any interference from those elements during
crystallisation. Now I know that very low percentages of pollutions, like
1% or 2%, are/were used in semiconductor technology and were/are
made in a way similar to what the author describes.
But I also know that anything higher than 5% or so messes up the neat
crystallisation process, and that it depends on how well the pollution atoms
integrate into the crystalline structure. Silver and iron are not really elements
known for their great integration into pure silicium crystals.
And so I have quite a number of doubts about the prototype and especially
its production process.

On top of that I just don't have the facilities to mix molten materials at 1500C,
nor to add any seed crystals at such temperatures.
I do have access to a potters oven/kiln, and it can go up to 1500C, but
I am not insane enough to open the door when it's that hot.

And so I'm sticking to lower temperature materials that I can work with
without turning my workshop into a little piece of inferno.

[Drannom]

@Koen1


so why not try the easy way first !?

use direct carbon-iron polarisation by auto crystallizing a simple rod of steel (4mm), with no others complicated thing, i would like to have your analysis on that too ! if the iron-carbon direct association give an electrinium producing too lot of volts, i do not see any problem with that....

if it is easy it must be easy, the author his a real master, i can sense it in his expression of his understanding

and we can find an another way to do with silver-iron ?? well may be yes may be not but do not take the peanut, try easy first !!? = iron-carbon