Captret - Capacitor and Electret

[Vortex1]

Milehigh said:

It seems like a reasonable conjecture: Bedini hijacked the term "radiant energy" to make gullible people think that a simple, basic pulse motor is something special.  He will NOT TELL YOU why and how the coil is making the neon light up.  It grosses me out.

I completely agree with your sentiments about B@#$%i. and "radiant energy"

However this thread was also hijacked from "captret" to "radiant energy" and my posts #336 and #337 were completely glossed over by the good old boys ferver to discuss "radiant energy".
Not a peep, even though experiment, data and a plausible explanation was presented.

I suppose if your not a "youtube poser" you don't get taken seriously on this forum.

[Paul-R]

Well, I have built several Bedini motors and ALL of them end up depleting the batteries after running for a period of time.

Were the batteries lead acid and were they conditioned before you started taking serious readings? Did you follow their directions to the letter and put your disappointing results to them for comment? A strength of JB is that he has set up good support arrangements.

[Paul-R]

Paul:

Sure, the coil gets energized by the source battery.  The coil stores the energy supplied by the battery.  That's how coils work.

This isn't evidence. Try again.

[MileHigh]

Paul:

How about this:

I can hold a capacitor in my hand and connect a resistor across it and it will discharge the stored energy.

I can hold a coil in my hand and connect a resistor across it and it will discharge the stored energy.  The waveform for the inductor discharge can be identical to the waveform of the capacitor discharge.

So where is the "radiant energy?"  Who said that discharging a coil produces "radiant energy?"  After all, you can make measurements that show that the battery supplied the energy to the coil.  The math for the discharge for the coil and the capacitor is all worked out.

Find references for a coil producing "radiant energy" when it discharges.  I mean references outside of the groups of people that are Bedini motor enthusiasts or free energy enthusiasts.  Can you?

What is your definition of "radiant energy?"  I mean your real definition, not just some catch phrase.

If you hold two fingers across the two coil terminals of a regular 12-volt relay and then you disconnect the power, you feel a high-voltage shock.  It's fairly strong and can hurt a bit.  What's going on there?  Is that "radiant energy?"

Show me one Bedini motor experiment where an experimenter measures the average power input from the source battery, and they also measure the average power output to the charging battery.  That would measure the efficiency of the motor.  Can you provide any links?

The whole "Bedini radiant energy" concept is false.  A Bedini motor charges a battery through pulses of current with a measurable and fixed amount of energy when it it is running in a steady state.  How often do Bedini motor enthusiasts attempt to measure the amount of energy in each charging pulse?

The burden of proof is on you to prove that inductor discharges, one of the most basic fundamental concepts in electronics, are "radiant energy."

My feeling is that you are stating that because that's what you heard from Bedini.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

Milehigh said:
I completely agree with your sentiments about B@#$%i. and "radiant energy"

However this thread was also hijacked from "captret" to "radiant energy" and my posts #336 and #337 were completely glossed over by the good old boys ferver to discuss "radiant energy".
Not a peep, even though experiment, data and a plausible explanation was presented.

I suppose if your not a "youtube poser" you don't get taken seriously on this forum.

Not glossed over, but rather much appreciated and impossible to argue with. What can you say when there is nothing to be said?   
It would be great if  more people would follow your example and do real experiments and report all their data.