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New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33

Started by hartiberlin, November 17, 2010, 05:47:43 AM

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Arrow

Quote from: maw2432 on December 10, 2011, 10:32:56 AM
To move the stator with less force than that is produced may be acheived by a concept I call LevStat.   
Here is photo of the start of the build for the model LevStat device.   Base and rotor support.   
LevStat is work in progress and has been a joint effort between myself and another forum member by the name of Tom.   
More later.
Bill
Hi Bill, do you have any drawings , are you able to share them with dimensions?

maw2432

Quote from: Arrow on December 10, 2011, 02:52:00 PM
Hi Bill, do you have any drawings , are you able to share them with dimensions?
Sorry no drawings.   The green wheel is 97mm high.   This is a concept not something replicate so do not expect dimensions.
Do you understand the principles of how LevStat will work?
Bill

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Quote from: maw2432 on December 10, 2011, 03:21:37 PM
Sorry no drawings.   The green wheel is 97mm high.   This is a concept not something replicate so do not expect dimensions.
Do you understand the principles of how LevStat will work?
Bill
guess yes, but I can see radial moving path of top magnet and there is something just telling me that V-gate magnet structure on green wheel must have same radial focused magnets on its surface to meet top magnet radial movement as vertical, effective movement to pull v-gate from the relevant effective point.
Here I have questions to you Bill
- did you try cam as it was on primary one video to elevate top magnet?
- do you have any video to prove that cam not working when rotor getting relevant inertion force to pass SP based on its turning mass inertion?
- Why you took  on focus of your development this solution with  balanced LevStat ?
- why you are not using  magnet pusshing force from both sides of rotor by 2 separated brown discs with only 1 magnet to use simple calculated 2 lever to compensate as much as it is possible top magnet weight down force?
- why your bar magnet axi made from heavy metal if you can use carbon fiber 5mm tube? http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__6725__Carbon_Fiber_Tube_hollow_5x750mm.html
Such construction will elevate bar top magnet without having radial path and unnecessary weight of bar magnet. Do you understand my english Sir?, sorry:(

To be 100% sure that you understand my english and last proposal see my drawing pic - http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1112/0d/c1fec3794bec.jpg
Glad to know if my updated ( based on yours ) proposal help you!
I want to express my grate thanks to you Bill, you pump up new idea and I had only just a bit polish it!
My magnets stuck in NY. When I wiil get them fanally you will see axactly this concept construction fabricated.
We will get this Grail and will drink from it the Armenian very good wine Sir!
Thank you Bill!!!!!!!

maw2432

Quote from: Arrow on December 10, 2011, 06:29:31 PM
guess yes, but I can see radial moving path of top magnet and there is something just telling me that V-gate magnet structure on green wheel must have same radial focused magnets on its surface to meet top magnet radial movement as vertical, effective movement to pull v-gate from the relevant effective point.
Here I have questions to you Bill
- did you try cam as it was on primary one video to elevate top magnet?
- do you have any video to prove that cam not working when rotor getting relevant inertion force to pass SP based on its turning mass inertion?
- Why you took  on focus of your development this solution with  balanced LevStat ?
- why you are not using  magnet pusshing force from both sides of rotor by 2 separated brown discs with only 1 magnet to use simple calculated 2 lever to compensate as much as it is possible top magnet weight down force?
- why your bar magnet axi made from heavy metal if you can use carbon fiber 5mm tube? http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__6725__Carbon_Fiber_Tube_hollow_5x750mm.html
Such construction will elevate bar top magnet without having radial path and unnecessary weight of bar magnet. Do you understand my english Sir?, sorry:(

To be 100% sure that you understand my english and last proposal see my drawing pic - http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1112/0d/c1fec3794bec.jpg
Glad to know if my updated ( based on yours ) proposal help you!
I want to express my grate thanks to you Bill, you pump up new idea and I had only just a bit polish it!
My magnets stuck in NY. When I wiil get them fanally you will see axactly this concept construction fabricated.
We will get this Grail and will drink from it the Armenian very good wine Sir!
Thank you Bill!!!!!!!
Please note this is only a model to show how to possibly construct a working device using leverage. 
The question was "How do we move a stator with less force than what is produced?"   
My answer, which I think I have gone beyond explaining by building a model is that you use leverage.
The key is to use leverage to move the stator at the correct time to get away from the sticky spot with little force.   In this model the top stator arm is threaded aluminum which is light weight.  Maybe not as light as hollow carbon fiber tubes but it does allow for differnt combinations/sizes of stator magnets to be tested as well as control of the weight of the stator. 
My experiments found you only needed to move one side of stator arm up to have the needed effect for continuous rotation.   Try it by hand with your own track and you will see.   
As to V track.  You only need to use steal/iron on the rotor.   Not magnets.   No magnets on rotor.   Magnets on stator attract steal/iron on rotor.   Also, less expensive.   There are many ways to design the rotor.   So we developed an easy rotor shell that fits over the green flywheel that Iwill show that later.  It allows for adjustments to the placement of the rotor iron parts and makes it easy to interchange differnt test rotors.     
This LevStat design is for a simple proof of concept.  So please do not get too upset if I do not go out and buy your suggested carbon fiber rods and build the model with two sets of levers which would double the necessary adjustments and timings.   
I will try to have short video of the action of the second lever by next weekend.   
Bill
     

Arrow

Quote from: maw2432 on December 11, 2011, 07:47:39 AM
Please note this is only a model to show how to possibly construct a working device using leverage. 
The question was "How do we move a stator with less force than what is produced?"   
My answer, which I think I have gone beyond explaining by building a model is that you use leverage.
The key is to use leverage to move the stator at the correct time to get away from the sticky spot with little force.   In this model the top stator arm is threaded aluminum which is light weight.  Maybe not as light as hollow carbon fiber tubes but it does allow for differnt combinations/sizes of stator magnets to be tested as well as control of the weight of the stator. 
My experiments found you only needed to move one side of stator arm up to have the needed effect for continuous rotation.   Try it by hand with your own track and you will see.   
As to V track.  You only need to use steal/iron on the rotor.   Not magnets.   No magnets on rotor.   Magnets on stator attract steal/iron on rotor.   Also, less expensive.   There are many ways to design the rotor.   So we developed an easy rotor shell that fits over the green flywheel that Iwill show that later.  It allows for adjustments to the placement of the rotor iron parts and makes it easy to interchange differnt test rotors.     
This LevStat design is for a simple proof of concept.  So please do not get too upset if I do not go out and buy your suggested carbon fiber rods and build the model with two sets of levers which would double the necessary adjustments and timings.   
I will try to have short video of the action of the second lever by next weekend.   
Bill
   
All kind of new tech things are starts from models,from motors to airplanes:)
OK Bill, but all our experiments with iron( not magnets) as V-track structure failed.We do not have any intention to continue such experiments.
We have good results with magnet type of V-tack, made already math model based on practical results and answers from measurments. We are going to continue only this direction of research.
Nothing are able to make us upset, we are at searching mode constantly and testing in the same time.
Thanks again for idea.
Truly
Rob