New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33

[Scorch]

Upon examination of the new image of the rocker (See: RoobertsRocker.png) I see the following:
#1 A beveled piece, presumably a block of wood, that is painted silver and some of that paint is noticeable, in two places, below the block, on the glue, between the block and the brass.
#2 A line that goes down the middle of the block of the wood giving the impression of two pieces.
#3 A very custom brass assembly with specific shapes and solder patterns.


While true the original video is very low resolution; I can still see all of these features. (See: Video or VideoRocker.png)
The most obvious being the beveled edges, color, and identical glue points that have the exact same paint pattern.
This leads me to believe that the original video did not have a magnetic rocker.


I also believe the following:
-Machined aluminum rods will have the exact appearance as found in the original video.
-Custom made, nickel plated, ferrites will NOT have the same appearance as the rods in the original video because they are cut with a saw and not machined on a rotary lathe.
-The rotor in the original video is wider than I originally thought and the main suppliers of magnets, at least in the US, do not stock a 1/4"X1/4"X2.5" or 3" neodymium magnet.
-Roobert33 produced the original video, submitted it to youtube, and still has the same hand.
-The original sound track was removed.
-The original video is very low resolution. (Presumably to mask features such as paint and wood grain on 'magnets')


Therefor, based on all the above, plus testimony from Roobert33 himself, in answer to the age old question of THIS forum, as it relates to the youtube user "overunitydotcom" video  titled: "selfrunning working permanent magnet motor from Roobert33 is it a Fake?"


I am now of the position the original video, IS, in FACT, Fake.


I am also of the position this is all completely irrelevant to the goal and current experiments.
And I am of the position that PESN should review it's articles regarding who did what with regards to this device.


I am also of the position that the double carriage returns, this new form keeps adding to my reply, are very annoying!
(using google chrome)
And that its time to stop writing and start experimenting and buying more parts!


And its entirely possible you may see nothing more from me, until such time I might actually have something to show you, with regards to this particular device.


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Hi Rob, ok I regret that you are telling here that your rotor not working one as far as your shown fake second rotor did not prove that first one fake. . .
Rob

[roobert33]

Hi Scorch, I wanted to let you know that I will write no more in this forum. If sometimes you want to know some technical information, you can do it through my YT email address.
Bye!

http://www.youtube.com/user/Roobert33?feature=mhee

[Arrow]

I am now of the position the original video, IS, in FACT, Fake.

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Dear Scorch, if you still interesting to this video v-gate magnet pole structure see attached pic. This is what working at my flat gate normally and even if you count video is fake - it is working there in right way. If bar magnet will be installed in different way then it will jump up when rotor turning.See to be sure in my words here the bar position at start up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXc_OObIZ8A
Here is the N to N, in our video S to N and it is sticky because gate magnets pull bar magnet.

I still in position that video not fake, sorry.Some one made big mistake to show motor on line and want to close my sharp eyes from evidence of real working V-gate rotor:) funny story here for me, sorry again everybody:) I dont care who made and who lost it, but he have done good work!
BRAVO MAN!!!!YOU HAVE brilliant brain!!! because of that , dont warry, be happy, you will create an other good staff for your family, but remember
- heavy train is coming and we are coming and nobody could stop:))) Do your best in time!

I made frame by frame original video fragment to show you important things in magnet structure by cursor, etc
Unfortunately it is not possible do not know v-gate principles/behavior and make such clever "fake" video:) This is what telling me my own observations from physical reconstruction of flat v-gate - I have here absolutely 1:1 behavior - I swear to SUN in my eyes! see it again here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Hug7CPDIM
frame by frame is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDPhiAChfE8
pole of magnets is here
http://s017.radikal.ru/i420/1111/f1/69a3a8ca655b.jpg
I am not sure for 100% about poles of bottom magnet one, I will clarify that soon.

No problem people - only solution! - you will get soon motor structure drawings here to construct it by your own! Promise!!!
Truly
Rob

[Scorch]

I am still interested and I'm waiting for some cheapo ceramic magnets I am going to use to build a new rotor.
I don't actually see an attached picture here.


Doesn't matter if its fake because, mechanically speaking, its still a good design providing two points of mechanical switching.
Roobert33 is the original provider of the video and obviously has some of the original parts in his possession so the statements at PESN that Calloway is Roobert33 is highly questionable.


I never saw the text, if any, that might have been included with Roobert33's original youtube submission but, he has never given me any reason to believe he is lying.


Please explain:
What type of magnet has the color of polished aluminum and the circular, Fresnel, cut patterns of a rotary lathe resulting in these light reflections in the shape of an hour glass?
I have round neodymium magnets and they are NOT the same appearance as the 'magnets' in the original video.


I would also like to know where I can find a 1/4"T X 1/4"H X 2.5" or 3"L neodymium magnet that would match the length of the bar 'magnet' in the original video?
The magnet in the original video is clearly square, on the end, so its NOT a cylinder or rod magnet.


BTW: Thank you for the additional analysis.
As far as pole orientation is concerned; I still picture, in my mind, the device should function in a purely attractive configuration such as all north on rotor with a south facing bar magnet which will have the strongest attraction towards the point of the V and not towards the widest part as your track is currently set up.  But this is just my own mind. There may actually be more than one configuration that might work.


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Dear Scorch, if you still interesting to this video v-gate magnet pole structure see attached pic. This is what working at my flat gate normally and even if you count video is fake - it is working there in right way. If bar magnet will be installed in different way then it will jump up when rotor turning.See to be sure in my words here the bar position at start up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXc_OObIZ8A
Here is the N to N, in our video S to N and it is sticky because gate magnets pull bar magnet.

I still in position that video not fake, sorry.Some one made big mistake to show motor on line and want to close my sharp eyes from evidence of real working V-gate rotor:) funny story here for me, sorry again everybody:) I dont care who made and who lost it, but he have done good work!
BRAVO MAN!!!!YOU HAVE brilliant brain!!! because of that , dont warry, be happy, you will create an other good staff for your family, but remember
- heavy train is coming and we are coming and nobody could stop:))) Do your best in time!

I made frame by frame original video fragment to show you important things in magnet structure by cursor, etc
Unfortunately it is not possible do not know v-gate principles/behavior and make such clever "fake" video:) This is what telling me my own observations from physical reconstruction of flat v-gate - I have here absolutely 1:1 behavior - I swear to SUN in my eyes! see it again here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Hug7CPDIM
frame by frame is here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDPhiAChfE8
pole of magnets is here
http://s017.radikal.ru/i420/1111/f1/69a3a8ca655b.jpg
I am not sure for 100% about poles of bottom magnet one, I will clarify that soon.

No problem people - only solution! - you will get soon motor structure drawings here to construct it by your own! Promise!!!
Truly
Rob

[Arrow]

I am still interested and I'm waiting for some cheapo ceramic magnets I am going to use to build a new rotor.
I don't actually see an attached picture here.

Please explain:
What type of magnet has the color of polished aluminum and the circular, Fresnel, cut patterns of a rotary lathe resulting in these light reflections in the shape of an hour glass?
I have round neodymium magnets and they are NOT the same appearance as the 'magnets' in the original video.


I would also like to know where I can find a 1/4"T X 1/4"H X 2.5" or 3"L neodymium magnet that would match the length of the bar 'magnet' in the original video?
The magnet in the original video is clearly square, on the end, so its NOT a cylinder or rod magnet.


BTW: Thank you for the additional analysis.
As far as pole orientation is concerned; I still picture, in my mind, the device should function in a purely attractive configuration such as all north on rotor with a south facing bar magnet which will have the strongest attraction towards the point of the V and not towards the widest part as your track is currently set up.  But this is just my own mind. There may actually be more than one configuration that might work.


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Hi dear Scorch

to:<I don't actually see an attached picture here>.
I am not able to upload pics here that is why using dif. server to public fotos there and share only its links here, sorry. I had put the link with pic where you can see poles of magnets at rotor. See link above.

to:<I would also like to know where I can find...>
here the link to online shop in US for magnets http://apexmagnets.com/?gclid=CP2Ohs_f96sCFcyHDgod2whdYw
I dont think that exact 1/4"T X 1/4"H X 2.5" or 3"L size are very important.That is why I am working on it to find the dependence of magnet size on rotor to magnet size and strength of it in bars formula.

to:<What type of magnet has the color of polished aluminum and the circular, Fresnel, cut patterns of a rotary lathe resulting in these light reflections in the shape of an hour glass?>
Can you polish magnets as stainless still look? I can do that with turning wood stick  and special metal polish, so, I thing inventor do his task very much taff to cover the real situation with magnets even on primary video.

to: <the device should function in a purely attractive configuration such as all north on rotor with a south facing bar magnet which will have the strongest attraction towards the point of the V>
absolutely right vision!

to:<There may actually be more than one configuration that might work.>
all configs are based on all parts dimensions - that is why I want to workout formula for calculation of different V shapes with dif. magnets size.
Here is below my working small baby V-gate pic with all sizes on it in DXF drawing. This is working, has good attraction, so I am able to share the true to people and to you my friend! This is my base and I am working on it to get math formula.If I will find good and true dependence then formula will be programmed to PHP language to publish it in the internet as "Magnet  V-gate Motor Shape Calculator" You will need to insert 1 size - rotor magnet size and it will calculate automatically all other staff for you. Probably it will be able even to provide simple drawing to snapshot it from screen. When I am telling "heavy train is coming" I guess nobody can understand what I mean- on line free motor calculator is "heavy train" Sir:) Armenian fully armed 7 programmers and maths are here people. V-gate solution will be open for everyone!

Programm and maths for v-gate will look like this staff http://fwcg.3dzone.dk/
If we can fly on wings http://s017.radikal.ru/i438/1111/67/656711c2e7d5.jpg then why are not able to create such page to "fly" with V-gate"?))))

Photo:
http://s017.radikal.ru/i423/1111/79/6bef256db8ba.jpg
drawing in scale 1:1:
http://depositfiles.com/files/s0pddutca
drawing in scale 1:1 PDF version
http://depositfiles.com/files/qr8tq9riy
Proposed drawing scale control picture
http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/1111/89/97fadef880f2.jpg
my video where I am testing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Hug7CPDIM

And Finlay: I am not interested to any names who made this invention as far as the man who made it not intersted to supply us right info and/or any info in did.
We are here alone to workout our gates and that is reality. It is absolutely no matter who is that man for me and I am not going to spent my expensive life time to find him in the world:)

dear Scorch - please translate for me from engllish to english amarican expression "weed hopper" I want to know its reall meanning, please!

Truly
Rob
P.S.
We are very happy to see that many US states  people are interesting to this topic!
Guys we will never set you up!
If we said something - we are doing it, if we love somebody/something- in did we love, if we hate - in did we hate!
Thats the Armenians in its nature!
YTmap - for our v-gate video
Thanks for watching and trust to Armenian 7 crazy guys!
http://s009.radikal.ru/i307/1111/f1/6f254e5c265a.jpg