HHO watergas, very low power water electrolysis !

[TheOne]

ok, that was a RONA ENTREPOT. i dont know if you have that, RONA is not big like RONA ENTREPOT , its near to the SS plate for wall, i think they use that to hide some kind of electric stuff in the wall. they have a lot of different plate/shape in the same section. They are in a box, you need to look in the box to see the plate

[wizkycho]

It seems, the electrolysis is so efficient,
because he is powering just the 2 outer electrodes only,
but the other electrodes between are not connected to the power supply,
but also generate oxyhydrogen gas !
Have a look again here:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US2005258049&F=0

Yes it would be nice that in that way (only first and last plate is connected) resistance wouldnt
rise but it does. So You have to apply more voltage (hundred and more) to pass only few amperes through cell. +,-,+,-,+,-,..... type cell is much more efficient than +,0,0,0,...,- type cell if measured gass output per watt. Monoatomic (ionic) H+ + H+ hydrogen  + O2 can only be made in +,0...,- type cell and not in low voltage +,-... type cell. Some measurements indicate that monoatomic hydrogen and O2 gas can release more energy than simple H2 O2 gas...

[wizkycho]

It seems, the electrolysis is so efficient,
because he is powering just the 2 outer electrodes only,
but the other electrodes between are not connected to the power supply,
but also generate oxyhydrogen gas !
Have a look again here:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US2005258049&F=0

this site made both types of exp. +,- and +,0,- type cell
first was tube +,- type then +,0,- in plexy. after tried +,0,- he states somwhere in text that much more gas
is produced with +,- (per watt) and moves to building +,-. Then illogically he ends up with building huge +,0,- type with no explanation why he made that turn and there is no report of finished unit.
http://www.oupower.com/index.php?dir=_My_Projects/_Over_Unity_Related_Projects/Electrolysis

[pg46]

Hi-
I'm not sure you're all clear on this cell construction mentioned here.
This is a common "series" type of cell where only the end plates are connected, one to the positive and one to the negative at each end. The ones in between are "not" connected except by the common electrolyte. These plates are sometimes refered to as "negative" or "floating" plates. The input voltage is divided up evenly by the number of plates. If for example you had 12VDC input and 7 plates in total then you'd have a 6 cell electrolyser. There would be then be 2 volts per cell. If instead you had say 14VDC input and 8 plates you'd have a 7 cell unit with 2 volts each.
Some people have 120VDC input and use 60 plates in a row. None of the plates are wired up except the 2 end plates. The gas produced of course depends on the plate size, the voltage, the electrolyte and temperature. It's been found that there is no gain in using more than 2VDC per cell so these series cell units are an excellant design for efficient regular electrolysis.
One needs to seperate, or seal the plates from each other as otherwise there is too much voltage bypass in the plates. In other words there wouldn't be even distribution of the voltage between the cells.
One could have an ordinary  2 plate design running 12VDC and say drawing 12 amps. This is a 144 watt unit. Its not going to produce much gas though and it will get plenty hot too creating for you lots of problems not to mention that its not very efficient at all since its using more than 2 Volts in the cell.

Just though I'd mention a couple of points.

Best-

[wizkycho]

Hi-
I'm not sure you're all clear on this cell construction mentioned here.
This is a common "series" type of cell where only the end plates are connected, one to the positive and one to the negative at each end. The ones in between are "not" connected except by the common electrolyte. These plates are sometimes refered to as "negative" or "floating" plates. The input voltage is divided up evenly by the number of plates. If for example you had 12VDC input and 7 plates in total then you'd have a 6 cell electrolyser. There would be then be 2 volts per cell. If instead you had say 14VDC input and 8 plates you'd have a 7 cell unit with 2 volts each.
Some people have 120VDC input and use 60 plates in a row. None of the plates are wired up except the 2 end plates. The gas produced of course depends on the plate size, the voltage, the electrolyte and temperature. It's been found that there is no gain in using more than 2VDC per cell so these series cell units are an excellant design for efficient regular electrolysis.
One needs to seperate, or seal the plates from each other as otherwise there is too much voltage bypass in the plates. In other words there wouldn't be even distribution of the voltage between the cells.
One could have an ordinary  2 plate design running 12VDC and say drawing 12 amps. This is a 144 watt unit. Its not going to produce much gas though and it will get plenty hot too creating for you lots of problems not to mention that its not very efficient at all since its using more than 2 Volts in the cell.

Just though I'd mention a couple of points.

Best-

You are completely wrong, certanly.

   Say you have cell with connected 120 V at the end plates only (type +,0...,-) if only 2 amps goes through this allready 240W.
Farady experimented and recently many test have been made that confirms that ammount of gas
is in proportion of current through watter only.
So 12V 12A cell is 144W and will produce 6 times more gass then cell with unconected plates in between.
Will the cell heat or not depends on current density (means if plates are bigger and more of them
for same ammount of current density is lower and there is no heating). Certanly using same plates surface that 240W (type +,0...,-) will heat more.

It doesnt mean if you run 2A current through 20 unconnected plates that you suddenly runned 40A !?!