Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output

[Les Banki]

All,

Here is a picture of the "dreaded" (by some!) MONSTER board which will be fitted to the engine.

(Needless to say you have to make a bracket for it!  The only other thing you need is a small bar magnet to be fitted to the rocker arm of the exhaust valve.)

The two versions shown differ only in the way of mounting them.
These boards were etched together (3 years ago!) with my first ignition/injection pcb.

Ignore the +9V marking as the Melexis US2881 Hall switch can operate from 3.5V to 24V!

Best regards,
Les Banki

[Low-Q]

We will show such self running HHO system probably end of Februar/March. It will be rather for industry cos for home price will be to much.

Too expensive for home use? What makes you think it will not be too expensive for industrial purpose?
If this is "free energy" in an "open source forum", just post your findings, and we can all build a selfrunning HHO machine ourself. Oh, I forgot, When someone finally find the holy grail, greed will take place, and what once was "open source", are now a patent pending thing which will prevent other people from making a better world...

I read you will be finished at the end of this month/March. Well, I think we will get a message regarding "problems found in the design" which will not be resolved. So in three years from now, we are still waiting for the self running HHO machine

Good luck with your project anyways

[Les Banki]

All,

First of all, perhaps some of you would like to know that I have now successfully completed the design of the feedback loop for the ‘automatic RPM control’ circuit.

It works better than I expected!

Since ‘super’ accuracy is hardly needed for the generator’s output frequency of 50Hz,
I did not make any accuracy measurements but regulation seems to be very tight
(probably within 1%). 
More about this in the circuit description.

Further, the feedback loop has also eliminated the Digital Potentiometer and associated components so the overall design is considerably simplified!

My next task is the pcb layout. 
Circuit diagram and description are already done but because of changes sometimes necessary during the pcb layout, some editing may be required.

Thus, the diagram, description and pcb layout will be released together.

But the main reason for today’s post is the story about my friend George.

Since it is too long for one post, I divided in two.
In my next post I will conclude the story and my REASONS for writing it!
I will also attach some pictures George sent me.

Actually, I wrote the first part of this story in 2007 (4 years ago!) and it was published in the “waterfuelforall.com” Forum.

Here it is:

George (79) is from Townsville. [about 2000km from here (Melbourne)]
He was told about me and what I am doing by Len (an ex politician, who is, by the way, a very nice fellow and those just don’t last in ‘politics’!)
Len had seen my small demo cell in operation and was very impressed!  He knows a lot of people all over the country and he was/is telling everyone who cares to listen!
Next thing I got a call from George.  He planned to come down to my next presentation which was very technical.  In addition, he also asked to spend a few hours with me.
He arrived (with a friend) about 1pm on the day of the meeting and we went directly from here to the meeting venue and continued there. 
So, for me, there was virtually non-stop talking from 1pm to almost midnight!
Anyway, when George returned home, he made a cell according to my instructions in addition to the visual impression of my demo cell.  He also duplicated my gas measuring ‘gauge’ which I designed.

Since he has done precision work, it all worked as expected.  He played with it for a while, exploded a bit of the gas, etc., to get the feel of it all.  He gained respect for the power of Hydroxy.
Next, he made a larger, 7 cell unit, following the same design principles. 
It produces 3 L/min. of Hydroxy.
Not having a proper power supply, he powered the cell from a small alternator, driven by a small electric motor.  At that stage, he did not measure the power input to the cell. 
He mentioned that he had the impression that only the two outer cells were producing gas.  I said that didn’t make sense and asked him to make some measurements.
I told him to remove the top of the cell, power it up and measure the voltage between the plates for each cell.  One by one.
This test returned the following results:

When powered from a (car) battery, the voltage was the same across each pair of plates (cells), 1.72V which adds up to 12.04V (which was the battery voltage under load)
Then, he powered the cell from the alternator and measured 1.95V across each cell which adds up to 13.65V.  He borrowed a DC clamp meter and measured the current to be 40A.
That means he was putting 13.65 x 40 = 546W into the cell to produce 3 L/min. of gas.

Then he had the idea to try to run a lawn mower on it.  (He invited a friend who is also interested in this technology, to give him a hand.)
They started the lawn mower on petrol and ran the carburetor dry and the engine stopped.  Then they fed the Hydroxy in and it ran beautifully for the about 2 minutes when they experienced a back fire which promptly destroyed his ‘bubbler’!
No-one was hurt and the only ‘casualty’ was the poor bubbler which was made of Acrylic! 
(That is a NO-NO! â€" UNLESS it is designed with a pop-off top!  He also made the mistake of allowing about 4” â€" which is WAY too much - of gas on the top of the water!)

George made the comment that there was more gas than was needed to run that lawn mower. (the gas pressure was building up) 
There was NO adjustment or modifications to the engine.

He does not know the size (cubic capacity) but according to a professional friend of mine who repairs LARGE number of lawn mowers, most of them are no less than 148cc.
According to him, engines of that size are normally rated at around 3.5 horse power.
Now, considering the above figures it is clear that so-called ‘over unity’ has already been achieved as the engine produces more power than it needs to make its own fuel!

To be continued….

Best regards,
Les Banki

[Les Banki]

O.K.
Here is the rest of the story…..

George then wanted to make a 120 cell unit so I emailed him my drawings.
He followed them ‘to the letter’, according to him, did not deviate ‘one iota’ from the drawings!
When he ‘fired it up’ for the first time, he instantly blew all his mains power 15A fuses! 
He then phoned me and I advised him to fill the cell only partially.
In order to not to blow his fuses, he could only fill the cell about 40mm from the bottom.
Even then, after about 2-3 minutes, his circuit breakers (which I advised him to use) were tripping again!
However, before the circuit breakers tripped, he made some measurements.
The gas (HHO) was pouring out at a rate of 36 L/minute!!
Sure, the power input was something like 3.6kW  (240Vx15A) but hey, that is about
100 W/L per minute!

In short:  he had NO means of controlling the power input since my AC phase control circuit design was not ready at that time!
[As a temporary supply, I made him a box with a 25A bridge rectifier (on a heath sink) and a 10A moving coil meter in it.  (you can see this box in some of the pictures)]

The whole point is that the efficiency of that set up was/is over 200% ‘Faraday’!

George sent me many pictures of that cell and the whole set up.
He also took pictures of how they made the grooves for the plates with his friend’s OLD milling machine!
But he took those with the “old fashioned” film camera and sent me the copies in the mail.

The story does not stop there!
Next thing I knew, George ‘modified’ a router table to make the grooves him self and took some photos of the modifications!
This time, however, he took those pictures with a digital camera at my request and emailed them to me!

He made one Acrylic board with the 120 grooves for me as well and sent it to me!
(You can see it in one of the attached pictures.)
That is what I am going to use to make my 120 cell electrolyzer for the prototype set up.

Now to the POINT of this long story:

Here we have a man (George, now 83) who, at the age of 81, modified a router table and made 120 grooves, all by himself, while others are moaning and groaning, bitching about how difficult and complicated everything is!
As an example, here is a quote from a post (and my response to it) which appeared more than 3 years on the ‘waterfuelforall.com’ Forum:



Pep Talk For Those Of You Who Are Not Inclined To Build The Banki System
« on: September 08, 2007, 05:56:42 AM »   
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“The Banki cell project is a big, tedious, expensive, complicated, and highly problematic build for guys that are either not electronically inclined and/or are not mechanically inclined.  Therefore, it might be a good idea to build a smaller cell to begin with using the size plates recommended by Les Banki.  I'm thinking a 10 plate cell would be a good place to start.  It would be much cheaper to fabricate than the larger cells and also much easier to build.  If after testing it you decided that you wanted a bigger cell, you could always use the plates out of the smaller cell in your larger cell.  That way, all you would have lost would be a little acrylic/ABS and your time.  You would however have gained a lot of experience though.  Some of you will never attempt to build a large cell, so you might as well attempt the smaller cell.  This way you could build the system first hand and gain a whole lot of experience and expertise.  If you are not a serious builder and/or that handy with tools, I'd suggest building the smaller cell and testing it out.  That way you can brag to your friends at least and say that you did make a Banki cell. 

Don't let this project scare you off before you get started!  There is to much to be gained from this technology for you not to get involved and build this system.  The trick is to start small and work your way up to big if it's not your cup of tea.  Do not be scared away.  This technology is within your grasp, so take my challenge and build this system whether you are (mechanically inclined)/(electronically inclined) or not!

I'm very mechanically inclined but challenged in the electronic area but I am going to do this thing.  So, join me and let's build this Banki system together.”

My response to this was:   
Once again, I make no excuses for being harsh and blunt!
I find your post(s) contradictory and your personal perceptions misleading, which will only confuse people!

“The Banki cell project is a big…..

BIG, yes.  What did you expect?  My work (and I would say this Forum) is NOT about ‘boosters’.  With only a small number of cells you will never have a high enough efficiency to run ANY size engine.   Period.
To those readers (if any) who may disagree with my philosophy:
“WATER OR NOTHING”,  I would say: you are on the WRONG Forum!

“tedious, expensive, complicated…” ,

With all due respect, how did you arrive at those conclusions??  I don’t know what some of you expect but if you are going to bitch about a few hundred dollars investment, then, this is NOT for you and you should stop right here…..!

“and highly problematic build for guys that are either not electronically inclined and/or are not mechanically inclined.”

Really??
Most people are NOT “electronically inclined” and you can’t blame them for that.
It should be obvious that I set out to TRY to help those who are not.
However, “…are not mechanically inclined”….you must be joking….what are those doing on ANY free energy site/Forum???

“That way you can brag to your friends at least and say that you did make a Banki cell.”

Goodness me, I can’t believe I am reading this…..! 

End quote.

Well, then.
A few weeks ago I asked George if he could ‘shoot’ some new photos with his digital camera for me to publish.
He said sure but I would have to wait for a while.
Then, a few days ago, at my son’s suggestion, I scanned a couple of the photos he sent me in the mail and they turned out surprisingly well!!
So I emailed him to tell him that there is no need to take new shots.
The scanned ones are good enough for the purpose.

I have attached 4 more of those scanned pictures of the 120 cell set up so you could get an idea what is involved.

My next post will deal with the technical aspects of running series cell electrolyzers on 50/60Hz AC power supply.

Best regards,
Les Banki

[vrand]

Thanks for sharing your research Oliver and Valentine, keep up the good work!

Please let us know when you will be selling a completed genset unit running on water.  We would like to power our homes on water, as electricity costs have been rising due to the high cost of oil.

Cheers,
Mike