Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output

[Feynman]

I really cant fins and PWM that actually works. Only that has potential so far is BB pwm but it does not work every  time, people who got resonant action are few.

Ravi cell has potential. But its all far from required 30-80 LPM for smaller engine (car engine).

maybe best way is to use gas generator , battery charging and electric motor..

Sorry for going off topic

Bolt what is exactly the best PWM cell you have found out so far ?

You mean water steam made by piezzoelectric , that come through HV plates ..

I think its NOT about water resonance its about ELECTRIC series RLC circuit

@grizli

There's not just one 'correct' method to split water!

There is more than one method to get quality HHO, to run a generator. 

1) There is the Bob Boyce method , which requires VERY GOOD amplified square waves.  You can't just run a PWM into an IRF540 and expect it to work -- you need a good fast mosfet driver, high currents, and smoothing caps to get nice strong amplified square waves with fast rise and fall times.  Then you need to find the right fundamental frequency.

Some garbage fly-by-night PWM unit is not going to cut it -- you need quality for BB method, and it needs to be tuned.  You need the right amount of current density going into a large series cell.  The best way to do it is have a SINGLE clock (square wave) and then calculate f/2 and f/4 using a divider / shift register.  Then amplify those pulses and drive your toroidal transformer for mixing, ala Bob Boyce.  You want low duty cycle.  This is complicated, obviously.

2) Another method the the Stanley Meyer HV capacitance method.  This is different, and also complicated.  There are details if you examine his patents.

3) A third method is JUST run full-rectified DC mains into a series cell so you get ~2V per cell.  This is not as efficient as the other methods, but IT WILL RUN A GENERATOR OVERUNITY.

So there are lots of methods to get the HHO.  My point here is just to bring attention to the fact that there are a number of ways to do it, but many are INHERENTLY OVERUNITY. There is not just one correct way to get overunity HHO.  There are lots of ways.

[haithar]

So what's the answer... does it implode , or is it still a mystery why sometimes it's best to ignite prior to TDC?

That youtube channel looks good but it's all in German!

Well the pictures speak for themself, its only the title which is german.
50% HHO + 50% Air:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCLIN2bnVYI
There seems to be an explosion, not really an implosion.

Pure HHO however will of course lower the pressure in a reaction chamber as seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smugB3UNkh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgnD8xJy4Kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOv97mCOhDw
Before the pressure gets lower there seems to be an explosion effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soEwvDuPi3U

The last videos are from the Anton guys btw.

[grizli]

@grizli

There's not just one 'correct' method to split water!

There is more than one method to get quality HHO, to run a generator. 

1) There is the Bob Boyce method , which requires VERY GOOD amplified square waves.  You can't just run a PWM into an IRF540 and expect it to work -- you need a good fast mosfet driver, high currents, and smoothing caps to get nice strong amplified square waves with fast rise and fall times.  Then you need to find the right fundamental frequency.

Some garbage fly-by-night PWM unit is not going to cut it -- you need quality for BB method, and it needs to be tuned.  You need the right amount of current density going into a large series cell.  The best way to do it is have a SINGLE clock (square wave) and then calculate f/2 and f/4 using a divider / shift register.  Then amplify those pulses and drive your toroidal transformer for mixing, ala Bob Boyce.  You want low duty cycle.  This is complicated, obviously.

2) Another method the the Stanley Meyer HV capacitance method.  This is different, and also complicated.  There are details if you examine his patents.

3) A third method is JUST run full-rectified DC mains into a series cell so you get ~2V per cell.  This is not as efficient as the other methods, but IT WILL RUN A GENERATOR OVERUNITY.

So there are lots of methods to get the HHO.  My point here is just to bring attention to the fact that there are a number of ways to do it, but many are INHERENTLY OVERUNITY. There is not just one correct way to get overunity HHO.  There are lots of ways.

Like I said people who bought BB circuit had problems finding resonance...
I am not new to this matter, and have read for years all that was available. 
And I think that is NOT about water resonance its circuit resonance , yes and maybe all together.
I do not trust patents that much, they are just genera information not enough for replication. Good example is Stanley Meyer !!

[Feynman]

Well the pictures speak for themself, its only the title which is german.
50% HHO + 50% Air:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCLIN2bnVYI
There seems to be an explosion, not really an implosion.

Pure HHO however will of course lower the pressure in a reaction chamber as seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smugB3UNkh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgnD8xJy4Kk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOv97mCOhDw
Before the pressure gets lower there seems to be an explosion effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soEwvDuPi3U

The last videos are from the Anton guys btw.

Okay thanks Haithar, these are great !  Perhaps there was another reason that it needed to ignite prior to TDC.    I think maybe the best way to get HHO working with a generator is just to have tunable firing point, and pick ignition point relative to TDC which gives best performance for a specific generator. 

[Feynman]

Like I said people who bought BB circuit had problems finding resonance...
I am not new to this matter, and have read for years all that was available. 
And I think that is NOT about water resonance its circuit resonance , yes and maybe all together.
I do not trust patents that much, they are just genera information not enough for replication. Good example is Stanley Meyer !!

I agree the circuit resonance is important too, and yes, I agree you can't replicate Stanley Meyer off the patents.   In terms of Bob Boyce, I think that anyone who is not using an actual Hex Controller might have problems replicating... (remember the Hex Controller had like 40 smoothing caps to get good square/PWM waves)...

I will be doing my own experiments in the next couple of months, building my own PWM controller, and I will compare BB PWM pulsed DC performance to rectified mains performance in a series cell.   Hopefully I can replicate BB setup -- I didn't say it was easy!  Only that it was possible...


Have you seen Les Banki's PWM circuit?  It uses a synchronized clock of f/2 and f/4 to make sure the frequencies match exactly.

Cheers,
Feynman