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Lenz's law can avoid the motor \ generator structure

Started by Arthurs, January 17, 2011, 08:17:42 AM

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Arthurs

Hello everybody:

This is just an idea:
     We usually use the motor or generator, using the ring magnet can be rotated, instead of conventional fixed magnets, when the magnet through the coil, because of ring magnets can be rotated, the resistance of the Lenz's law can produce Magnet "homeopathic"After, the resistance can be reduced a lot.
     If this idea was established, this structure can be applied to a variety of motor / generator. and improved efficiency can be amazing. might be able to produce a miracle.
     Figure is the structure and applied to the Bedini SG Bedini Window Motor case diagram.

How will we see?

XuYuan

Nali2001

Hi,
As far as I know magnets can't be polarized like that. (inside one pole, outside the other)

Regards,
Steven

gyulasun

Quote from: Arthurs on January 17, 2011, 08:17:42 AM
Hello everybody:

This is just an idea:
     We usually use the motor or generator, using the ring magnet can be rotated, instead of conventional fixed magnets, when the magnet through the coil, because of ring magnets can be rotated, the resistance of the Lenz's law can produce Magnet "homeopathic"After, the resistance can be reduced a lot.
     If this idea was established, this structure can be applied to a variety of motor / generator. and improved efficiency can be amazing. might be able to produce a miracle.
     Figure is the structure and applied to the Bedini SG Bedini Window Motor case diagram.

How will we see?

XuYuan

Hi XuYuan,

Whether this setup (as many other magnetic setups) can operate as you believe or cannot operate, can only be told by precisely building it and tinker with possible variables affecting operation.
So I say that the possibility of whether your setup works (as you think it should) or not, it has the same chance as this setup shown by Wendell Ray Walker:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9188.0  Remember?

Thanks,  Gyula

khabe

Quote from: Nali2001 on January 17, 2011, 10:43:10 AM
Hi,
As far as I know magnets can't be polarized like that. (inside one pole, outside the other)

Regards,
Steven

Rings of this type are used in linear actuators an certain types of speakers. But I have not seen Neodymium magnets like that.
Because flux lines must close on themselves, all the flux passing through a magnet wall in the radial direction must also pass through one of
the ends. If the magnetic flux density needed to very high, like for neodymium magnets, then it is very difficult to magnetize the part completely and evenly if the length of each ring is longer than one radius.  The flux density at the ends becomes higher than that in the walls and the energy, increasing as the square of this field times the volume, becomes very high.
At least few years ago all  Neodymium magnet factories said this is impossible or ...will come extreme expensive  :o
Today we can see some China pages like  http://www.jjmagnet.com/permanent_magnet.htm   see UNI-POLE
Myself I have tried to make it by segments when experimented with small tubular linear motors. Up till the last segment all is great but hen added the last segment then all magnetic properties will be get lost  >:(  Please remember - if the length of  ring is longer than one radius !!!
Short ring you can do, yes, but when you start to stack several beforehand prepared short rings ... you will lose near all primal magnetic strength all because the same reason.
cheers,
khabe

Good friend Mr. George sells Radial Neodymium Ring Magnets, segmented and reinforced ... http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=40   
He is writting:
"For the past several years I have had a variety of customers asking for neodymium ring magnets that would be magnetized from the inside to the outside. It seems like a reasonable request except that neodymium magnets, at this time, can only be magnetized in only 1 plane. To create radial magnetization you need to be able to magnetize in straight lines perpendicular to the tangent line at any point on the edge of the outer edge of the ring. That can't be done in neodymium. Of course, as i say that, I know that for the past few months there is a company who can provide these rings. I have discussed this with the actual company that can do it. There is a mold cost of several thousand dollars per size of radial ring that you want and the info I got said that about N35 was the highest grade the process would work with. I took a different path. For about 2 years I tried to get my manufacturer to make a different type of radial ring - using arc segments like my motor magnets, but mount it in a steel can with all pieces facing with the same pole facing the center. While it is not a single piece and it is encased in a different metal case, the magnetic profile is radial."

Airstriker

Quote from: khabe on January 17, 2011, 06:11:55 PM
Rings of this type are used in linear actuators an certain types of speakers. But I have not seen Neodymium magnets like that.
Because flux lines must close on themselves, all the flux passing through a magnet wall in the radial direction must also pass through one of
the ends. If the magnetic flux density needed to very high, like for neodymium magnets, then it is very difficult to magnetize the part completely and evenly if the length of each ring is longer than one radius.  The flux density at the ends becomes higher than that in the walls and the energy, increasing as the square of this field times the volume, becomes very high.
At least few years ago all  Neodymium magnet factories said this is impossible or ...will come extreme expensive  :o
Today we can see some China pages like  http://www.jjmagnet.com/permanent_magnet.htm   see UNI-POLE
Myself I have tried to make it by segments when experimented with small tubular linear motors. Up till the last segment all is great but hen added the last segment then all magnetic properties will be get lost  >:(  Please remember - if the length of  ring is longer than one radius !!!
Short ring you can do, yes, but when you start to stack several beforehand prepared short rings ... you will lose near all primal magnetic strength all because the same reason.
cheers,
khabe

Good friend Mr. George sells Radial Neodymium Ring Magnets, segmented and reinforced ... http://www.supermagnetman.net/index.php?cPath=40   
He is writting:
"For the past several years I have had a variety of customers asking for neodymium ring magnets that would be magnetized from the inside to the outside. It seems like a reasonable request except that neodymium magnets, at this time, can only be magnetized in only 1 plane. To create radial magnetization you need to be able to magnetize in straight lines perpendicular to the tangent line at any point on the edge of the outer edge of the ring. That can't be done in neodymium. Of course, as i say that, I know that for the past few months there is a company who can provide these rings. I have discussed this with the actual company that can do it. There is a mold cost of several thousand dollars per size of radial ring that you want and the info I got said that about N35 was the highest grade the process would work with. I took a different path. For about 2 years I tried to get my manufacturer to make a different type of radial ring - using arc segments like my motor magnets, but mount it in a steel can with all pieces facing with the same pole facing the center. While it is not a single piece and it is encased in a different metal case, the magnetic profile is radial."
All in all, simply cannot do ;]