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Overunity Machines Forum



FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7

Started by broli, February 01, 2011, 06:12:48 PM

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broli

Quote from: neptune on February 03, 2011, 08:48:53 AM
In designing a practical version of this machine , much attention needs to be paid to the side bars . They need to be as light as possible consistant with performance .These bars need to move fast , and so heavy weight will cause problems with inertia and momentum . Either by calculation or experiment , their dimensions need to be minimised . A composite material , probably ferrite like in nature might serve . Is ferrite lighter than iron ? this would have the added benefit of eliminating eddy currents .

Yes this was on my mind, if we use cams there's a chance that the cores won't follow nicely at high speeds due to inertia. I thought of using springs to remedy this.

As for core material, I would use laminated iron, steel or even better silicon steel. These are easier to get or fabricate than large ferrite cores of the same dimensions. But indeed much heavier.

lumen

I would think a crankshaft would be best for both the magnets and the bars. Time them using elliptical gearing for the best overlap in operation. Something like a stirling engine but with magnets!
This way all parts are locked together for both push and pull operation and can recover all forces of every component.


neptune

Re core material .I have ofter thought that it would be possible to construct your own ferrite-like core . First you need a powder with magnetic properties , such as iron oxide , iron filings , or pulverised ferrite rods from old AM radios . Then you need a binding agent such as car body repair paste , epoxy resin , or possibly even plaster of Paris . Mix your materials , put it in a mould and allow to solidify . The resultant cores could be trimmed using glass paper if necessary . Going back to weight of cores , this is the same as using light weight valves of exotic materials in a fourstroke racing engine .

broli

Quote from: neptune on February 03, 2011, 09:47:41 AM
Re core material .I have ofter thought that it would be possible to construct your own ferrite-like core . First you need a powder with magnetic properties , such as iron oxide , iron filings , or pulverised ferrite rods from old AM radios . Then you need a binding agent such as car body repair paste , epoxy resin , or possibly even plaster of Paris . Mix your materials , put it in a mould and allow to solidify . The resultant cores could be trimmed using glass paper if necessary . Going back to weight of cores , this is the same as using light weight valves of exotic materials in a fourstroke racing engine .

To be honest I think you'll find that process to be truly hell. You'll have to spend a lot of time and potentially find out it doesn't meet the needs. If possible I would buy it ready made and save a lot of effort, time and even money.

phoneboy

@ broli, thanks for the suggestion, I have to wrap my mind around it and I'll make some mods to the design. A suggestion for the core, form my design I intended to use three large c8 sheet magnets http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?products_id=256 and heat them past their curie point.  In the course of reading about processing materials I came across microwave sintering, I don't know how well a microwave susceptor the magnets would be but if not you could surround them with magnetite powder (great susceptor) in a alumina brick surround, nuke them for while to demagnetize, and then grind them to shape.