it's working?!!!!!

[pree5]

 ???it's working?http://i53.tinypic.com/2ewnsdg.gif

[mscoffman]

Good work pree5;
a) How many wire turns on the coil 24:24?  What wire? 28Gauge Hookup wire?
b) What torroid core?
b) What kind of rechargeable battery? - Alkaline?

:S:MarkSCoffman

[Poit]

please don't consider me a "nah sayer" or the sorts.. but i must ask....... how do you conclude this actually works?? I am not trying to start an argument, just an honest question...

[gyulasun]

please don't consider me a "nah sayer" or the sorts.. but i must ask....... how do you conclude this actually works?? I am not trying to start an argument, just an honest question...

Hi Poit,

This circuit surely works!  BUT if you object this conclusion I guess you object it works as a circuit that gives extra output energy versus the input energy?
If you mean this, then you are right: I do not think either this circuit can give free energy...   its advantage to a simple Joule thief may be that uses a second battery that is charged during the operation and you can replace the input battery with this charging battery when the input battery already gets discharged: this process can postpone the total discharge time for both batteries versus the case when you use a single input battery and you use the total output energy for lighting more LEDs.
Can you agree with this?  (This is an honest answer from me...  )

rgds,  Gyula

[infringer]

The gif is excellent likely the most understandable circuit diagram I have seen on this form to date due to the animations excellent job there. But yes I would have to agree it will likely reduce the discharge time by no more then half and likely less then half due to losses but this is only a crude guess with no experiment conducted should be simple to replicate and measure the time it stays lit vs a joule thief with a single battery I would assume "WHICH IS A BAD PRACTICE AGAIN" that you would be better off with two separate joule thieves run one then run one immediately after the first one lights no more providing light for a longer period of time if not I would be rather astounded at such a feat.

Surely this deserves further looking into then my ramblings of what I expect will happen saying and doing are two far different animals.

However we do need the information requested by mscoffman in order to carry out such a test to investigate this claim further or we could end up with bad results which could be related to not using the same exact materials.

I suggest you provide a full materials list with specifications needed to replicate such a claim as we all know without replication a FE device has no chance of survival.