Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

[fishman]

I'm having trouble keeping enough pressure to raise the boiling point of the ammonia to 60C...I think I ruined the first batch but will keep trying...

I had a similar problem with my first batch also.

I found that that heating a pot of water (like in one of Romo's picture) to transfer the heat worked much better than just the jar placed on on the heater stirrer. Heating that pot of water to 67C made the jar contents 60C and was much easier to maintain. I also had a fan pointed at it the hole time from about 2 feet away. i believe the fan helped to condensate vapors by keeping the exposed part of the jar cooler.

[petar113507]

In regards to what everyone was fussing about before with the oscilator circut -- powerme has given us a circut to research for the fogger oscilator.  From that circut -- into a tesla transformer and adjust the stepped up-voltage & frequency (might as well look it up, and become familiar with it too, to use it in different components).

If you can figure these things out -- then you can buy just the pizeo ceramic's -- and hook it up to the transformer. 
Much more efficiency, price-wise.  In the extra 20-25 dollars I would otherwise spend on Shipping, I can snag quite a few more pizeo's -- or just buy a bit of wire for winding the transformer.

A friend of mine basically threw one together, and it sort of works.  It's not real pretty -- so I'm looking at how the thing works, and looking into calculating the needs of transformer/specs.  I don't have a real accurate way to measure it, so I'm gonna need to buy some proper equipment

So far -- if anyone wants to also look into it: I read the condensed intro to Tesla Transformers by Eric Dollard -- it's a good start.  Lots of websites helping you build a tesla coil.  I found some blogs to help me for some of the equations to calculate the size of the cap. bank, as well as the length/spark gap size.

Just thought I'd give an update on the "frequency" problem we had before.  These transformers seem to have the potential to simplify a little bit in the long run.

Cheers,
==Romo

As a note:  I'm getting help from an electrical engineer on the Tesla Transformer/Tesla Coils.   I'm even getting friends to chip in a little bit of time too -- I'm not alone on getting my information here.  I don't quite fully understand what I am doing -- I'm still reading up on bits of information I didn't know about electronics. 

[petar113507]

I had a similar problem with my first batch also.

I found that that heating a pot of water (like in one of Romo's picture) to transfer the heat worked much better than just the jar placed on on the heater stirrer. Heating that pot of water to 67C made the jar contents 60C and was much easier to maintain. I also had a fan pointed at it the hole time from about 2 feet away. i believe the fan helped to condensate vapors by keeping the exposed part of the jar cooler.

Nice work.   

I also find that between 65-70 keeps the solution at the "right" temp. 
I just keep it around that temperature, and it works great.

Have you noticed any differences is cooking the crystals and constantly agitating the ammonium? (Shaking with vigor for higher pressure)  I think that I get slightly more crystals when I cook them at a higher pressure, but I'm not sure.  My reason for agitating the crystals periodically (every 10 mins to so during the "grow" phase), was that I had an ice cube on the lid of the jar.  If I did not shake it hard enough -- the top part of the jar would get too cold, and the pressure would not be high enough to pressure cook them.

Remember though, cook it too hot, and you kill the batch of crystals.  In my experience the temperature is the easiest thing to botch up.  I would suspect there is also an upper limit on pressure -- but I'm pretty sure the jar would bust, before the pressure gets too high for those crystals.

I am currently working on adding less ammonium to the crystal paste -- as I currently feel that with the concentrated ammonium, I should be able to create more zinc "slurry" paste and less liquid sloshing about.  Just a thought.   

I have also found that adding the crystals, after making the ammonium 60 Degrees C, opening the lid, and tossing them in -- and THEN sealing it shut -- doesn't really hurt the overall batch, even if you loose some ammonium.  I wear goggles and a scarf so it doesn't get my face. 

I compensate for the evaporated stuffs by adding about 320 ML's -- I eyeball it around 300 ish (no more than 350 though -- I have had pressure "hiss" leaks if I put in too much, even in the 1/2 gal. jar.)  Remember though -- I am weaning this down. 

I have gotten down to 200 ML of higher concentration ammonium with, as of yet no detriment.  I would suspect a reduction up to 150, or 100 ML would be possible, but this ammount is yet untested.

Finally, if you recycle your ammonium -- freeze-distill it a second time before you use it again.  For me, this helped make it equally as concentrated as the "new" stuff (the non-recycled stuff).  I don't know if this happened to you yet -- but if you don't check by throwing it in the freezer, you could wind up with a "dud" batch, like me...

These are just some ideas that would've been useful if I had known before.  If not -- you'll learn real fast with your "oopsies"

Hope this helps you guys not make too many "oopsies",
==Romo

[petar113507]

I would like to extend an apology out, as I did not intend to be misleading.   

I should listen more carefully, so that I do not relay any false information.

It was not an HHO explosion -- it was from a propane tank.  Allow me to explain the accident.

Me and a friend were trying to replicate the explosive phase of water to see if it were at all applicable to this engine project.  We had a plastic ball-thingy from cvs -- we put a pvc tube out of it, and filled it with water to see if we could make any standing wave nodes inside the ball -- I was hoping for.

We were "tuning" it by moving the fogger's distance up and down the PVC pipe.  Sometimes the ball shook funny, but it was nothing major.  I did not tune the pond fogger's running frequencey.

I went inside to use the restroom, and while I was there, we left the pond fogger running sitting still.  Upon closer examination, Instead of exploding -- the darned thing just was made poorly.  It fell apart. 

There was also, an unrelated accident with propane tanks nearby -- which blew apart the fence.  Me and my friend were thankfully, unscathed inside the apartment.

I was dumb enough to jump to conclusions of this last night.  We investigated the outside explosion, but found little more than our poorly constructed fence, battered. 

Neither of us knew about the propane until this morning, we just knew something blew up out back, and thought it was our device.  It turns out, some of our neighbors were seriously injured, and none of this accident was me "Stumbling upon the explosive phase of water."  It was something with their gas tanks. 

Almost immedeately thereafter, I pulled out my "dew trap", and posted a bit on these forums.  I was even ignorant enough to not notice the paramedics outside.  It was late, and they didn't make much noize.... Even so.

Thankfully, that accident wasn't my fault.

Again though, Jumping to conclusions was my bad. 

I shouldn't have thought that unlocking that "phase" of water, would have been that easy.   

I am sorry for having given the appearance of done something incredible, when I had not.

Eesh. 
Now, after such a long night, I'm gonna retire. 
G'day all,
==Romo

[Slovenia]

Hi Guys,

I've been studying all the notes Power1 left us so far and ran into this gem from March 9, 2011.

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Spark Gap

March 9, 2011
Power1

great intelligence Romo,
use spark gap with magnet quenching to produce electric wind, this moves gaseous at the same time solidifying bonding force thus liberating HHO by ionization.

Same principle used by Tesla in his Electric flying machine. Electric wind has many peculiar properties too!.