Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

[petar113507]

No, I am not tuning here.  This is using all the standard equipment that came with the ultrasonic mister.  The 1.7 Mhz one I bought locally, the 2 Mhz one is one of three I ordered from China. Power me said I should have lots of hho @ 1.7 Mhz, so I thought I would verify the 1.7 Mhz and see if I had any hho.

1.7 MHZ does produce SOME HHO, but not as much as I would like.  To be quite honest, I am not sure if my fogger is runining at those speeds though.  Some gunk has gotten into it, and I think that might affect the performance -- Maybe the speeds, I don't know.  I only know that I'm not sure what speed mine is running at anymore.

I noticed that I only produce HHO (sometimes my crystals work, some batches they dont) when I make certain waves/structures in the masonry jars.  It is kind of difficult to describe, but I look at the way that the crystals settle on the bottom (I do not use a "seperating" envelope or adhesion yet).  What is weird about this, is that I note that the HHO comes from some "spots".

I try to imagine what keeley would try to do with waves -- It seems like he was very good at making the waves stack up in amplitude, until they all collapsed at various pressure nodes.  The water molecules at that pressure/wave node would be very high.

From the way I can interpert my findings, I think I might be also making high pressure nodes, where the waves all collapse on that small pressure zone.  I do not think that this is directly 43 KHZ, my pond fogger's speed is waaay too high for that too.  But around these (suposed) "nodes", I see the crystals swooshing around, and moving a lot.  I figure I'm making them shake real hard.  Not according to resonance, mind you -- but enough for some of the crystals to add an extra "doink" push, and send some of the agitated water molecules in the surrounding area, Into the next "phase change". 

(Superman, this sounds an awful lot like your idea -- so I'm thinking there must be something to it.  I did not want to be the first to share what I thought was going on, so as not to skew other perspectives, which have not first yet conducted experiments.)

(I'm guessing the "phase" is a gas.  I only know phases from music -- I am under the impression that in order to get the next "phase" through harmonics, you'd have to stack the amplitudes of the waveforms constructively)

Now, I do not know what kind of complex standing wave this forms, as it is easier to move my wrist, than to visually imagine what kind of distortions I am making in the water.  I see little bubbles emerging from the swooshed-about substrate, NEAR where I see some of the crystals moving around minimally.  Where they are moving around less, I imagine to be the different pressure zones than that of the vibrating pizeoelectric -- maybe deconstructive wave interference, potentially reducing it to something around that ballpark zone of 43 khz.

Now this is interesting, because I thought I could just brute force the crystals into producing HHO -- but the way that powerme uses the works "amplify HHO production" -- but I now think it is a trick of resonance to make the fuel-cell unit produce the most HHO.  Otherwise, it would not be "amplified" HHO production, as "amplified" presupposes that there was something being produced anyways, and made more of -- instead of brute forced.

Resonance to make the water molecules vibrate at that rate (around 43 KHZ -- would probably just need to tune the fogger to see what produces the most HHO in that ballpark. Then, even though there would be some water being dis-associated -- the crystals in the surrounding area, would give just a little extra "doink" and dis-associate much more water than would normally be possible. 

I think, I am occasionally seeing the crystals give the extra push, just around the deconstructive intereference slush zones.

Hence, my phone call with the electrical engineer in a moment, I wanna make that oscilator to be the most "tuneable circut" possible.  This is with the intent, that I might be able to tune the wave frequencies, to make more "fuzzy zones" (almost disassociated zones, but not quite) that the crystals could give a little further push to disassociate them.

Think about it carefully.  Why else would powerme put a bowl into his fuel chamber?  To focus the waves (vibrating around the 43khz range) into a small area.  Even if you could use those lead-acid sacks from the batteries, and even if they did "dampen" much of the waveform -- I would suspect, that it was in that focused zone (which would compensate for the dampening effects), there would be enough "fuzzy activity" to let the crystals agitate a little further.

I think powerme said he used those lead acid battery pouches for molar mass/timing calculations -- If I remember reading those posts correctly, that would have been with the baloon.  Fine tuning the frequency generator, or the position of the pizeo would have allowed him to see which frequencies were producing the most "fuzzy zones".

Brute force / surface area might work, but it seems that there was "good enough" result, even against the dampening factor of the sack/pouch/envelope -- through resonance, it seemed to be more than enough.  That, and my results seem to be leading me in the direction of experimenting more for resonance.

But, like I said -- I don't wanna skew anyone's newcomming viewpoint, I'd personally prefer enough experimenters on board so that we can see what others imagine is happening.

I use the word imagine here, because I do not really know what is going on that kind of molecular level -- I have not seen it with my two eyes, nor do I have that abillity (yet).  This is my best guess as to the kind of mental model I am working with here.

Please, I want to hear fresh viewpoints on this!   

==Romo

[Super God]

Just a note, but in the Stanley Meyers system he runs around 43khz (i think anyway) maybe those tubes are just giant transducers. (Also note how the guys running the pickup truck 300 miles on HHO looks. Same deal) http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Hydrogen_Hog_by_Future_Energy_Concepts%2C_Inc.

Just food for thought...

[petar113507]

Another thought about stacking amplitudes.

We are aiming for 43 KHZ, right?  Well, didn't keeley have other frequencies he liked to "stack" on too? 

The way I see it, you'd be pushing all those waves into one spot @ 43 KHZ.  When they all hit the same node at the same time, they induce the phase change.  So how would you get a higher phase change?  Higher frequencies would be stacked on within the same harmonic range.  This means Sonofusion would simply be the collapse onto one point (or a very small point), but with additional higher/faster frequency amplitudes -- that way when the phase change is complete, you would have a higher resulting change, from the higher energy inut. 

I say higher, and not more powerful/stronger (though they may be) -- because higher energy would need to be of a faster osculation than the primary frequency would be.

I am also under the impression that water, or any element for that matter -- would simply be different vibrating frequencies.  By stimulating them at ultrasonic frequencies, I think we might be hitting an "undertone" of what the actual vibrating frequency.  This would explain why the waves collapsing would induce the phase change.  I perceive this, because they are adding power or energy to a much higher harmonic (vibrating rate). (Which, would be much faster than I can currently compare anything to.) 

Question is -- what is it that is vibrating impossibly fast?  If you haven't read any books on Aether theory, it might be a good idea to become acquainted with it.

I'm chewing over some thoughts,
==Romo

[Slovenia]

Good thinking Romo.

[Cherryman]

In nature at sea, colliding waves can create a superwave. Even heights are measured wich exceed the sum of the waves.

Giving this fact, it could be possible to use multiple transducers and aim those to have a collision point of the waves in  the water.

I hope I make sense.

Several researchers are convinced that these random encounters  occur  between  waves  are not the only factor. Hydrodynamic laboratories in the situation under various simulated conditions and that they came to the conclusion that giant waves in many more  ways  to take their toll  on demand than just a storm at sea. In Ottawa, for example,  conducted trials with waves that reverberated against a vertical quay wall and then collide head-on another, still rolling wave. "If the two waves are exactly in  phase  with  the  two  wave  crests  simultaneously  over  each other, partly reaches the  surface  reflection  at
the bottom an even greater height than the sum of both waves alone. Then there is a real monster wave, "said Etienne Mansard, one of the researchers of the Delft Hydraulics Laboratory site. A similar phenomenon, Mansard said, appears to occur when waves break as they approach an island and then bend back if they have reached the island. The waves to collide with each other, they can in the same way grow to monstrous proportions. And while most ships for just a storm shelter behind an island. "

Source: http://www.kennislink.nl/publicaties/de-schrik-der-zeven-zeeen