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Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

Started by The Power To Be, February 17, 2011, 06:11:02 AM

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altrez

Quote from: Slovenia on April 23, 2011, 08:52:52 AM
Hi Altrez,

Good to hear from you.  I know you said that an oscilloscope was a must have for the project, but I thought you also said that a function generator would make it much easier to tune the JT than an oscilloscope.  Did I misunderstand that?  Wow, I hope not because I didn't have $150 to throw away.

P.S.:  I already had an oscilloscope but I wanted to take all the guess work out of this project.  I want it to succeed very badly.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

It does make it much easier you simply dial the function generator to the required frequency an you are done.

-Altrez

altrez

Quote from: Slovenia on April 23, 2011, 10:06:01 PM
Hi Altrez,

I was just going by the two posts I have coped below.  If I misunderstood, I'll make the best of it. 
Thanks for your willingness to help on this project!!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

April 17, 2011
Quote from: Slovenia on April 17, 2011, 09:53:48 PM
Hi Superman,
You should have a variac, adjustable transformer.  They are fairly cheap on e-bay and come in really handy for our work.  I got an industrial one for $10 on e-bay.  You will need a scope to adjust your potentiometer to the desired frequencies.  I think you can do without the function generator.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Slovenia,
12v car / lantern battery
Variacs are great to have this is true.  However, I am going to show you a way to run this from a 12v car / lantern battery. 
Convert to AC
We will convert to AC that can produce a clean sine wave at the correct frequency rage, then output that to our transducers.
Dedicated Circuit for Piezo
You need to remember that we are simply making a dedicated circuit for the piezo and not using the standardized one that comes with the transducer..
Function Generator
The function generator is done ready to go.  All you have to do is change the dial to the correct frequency select your wave form and output voltage.  Its a very simple way to tinker with the right frequency.   AND, I RECOMMEND that if you have the cash to pick one up for  prototyping.
No Guess Work

When you have it tuned in.  Then you produce the correct circuit.  It's so very easy to do.  Takes all the guess work out of the circuit.
-Altrez


April 17, 2011

We are going to use a battery.  The reason for the adjustable DC power supply is to really get the input power tuned in. Then we will run from the correct battery.
Frequency Generator
Think about it like this. We are building a frequency generator based on the information we have.  If you buy a Function generator then you can fine tune everything to your personal reaction chamber. Its the easy way to go and it will save you hours of hard work and headaches in the long run.  I encourage you to look up how one works then you will completely understand where I am coming from.

If you do not have scope you will have a very hard time understanding how all this is working. You can get one form eBay for $60 its pretty much a requirement.

-Altrez

The function generator is the same as tuning a Joule Thief. You can do the whole design an testing phase with the Function Gen an once you have it perfect then you make the Joule Thief that outputs what you want.

So for eaxmple when you get your pizeo all you need to do is clip the leads from the Funtion Gen to it an move the dial on the gen until yiou reach the perfect balance.

You then write down the output that is displayed on the function generator. Verify it with a scope an then build the Joule Thief an put it in place on the Function Generator for a portable device.

-Altrez

altrez

Quote from: Slovenia on April 24, 2011, 05:13:03 AM
Hi Altrez,

You mentioned that you are going to show us how to utilize a 12v car / lantern battery for our experiment in lieu of a variac.  Would you give us an idea where we can pick up this particular battery and what if anything else is needed to go with it such as but not limited to chargers?  Thanks!!

P.S.:  Also, does it matter what range of potentiometers we use with our joule thief circuit?  I want to get the one that will allow for the best fine tuning ability.   Thanks!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Any 12v 7 amp hour or above battery should work. So basically you could use two 6v battery's as well.

I like to have 4 pot's to test with to get the best sweep. a 5k a 10k a 100k an a 1Meg ohm should work an be less then $10 bucks and give you a lot of sweep.

Do you have any other questions? I am glad to help :) However I have a huge work week ahead of me so my posts my be a bit delayed.

-Altrez

Slovenia

Easy is good.  Thanks Altrez!!

Quote from: altrez on April 24, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
It does make it much easier you simply dial the function generator to the required frequency an you are done.

-Altrez

Slovenia

It sounds like the function generator will be a good device to have around.  Thanks for the clarification Altrez!!

Quote from: altrez on April 24, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
The function generator is the same as tuning a Joule Thief. You can do the whole design an testing phase with the Function Gen an once you have it perfect then you make the Joule Thief that outputs what you want.

So for eaxmple when you get your pizeo all you need to do is clip the leads from the Funtion Gen to it an move the dial on the gen until yiou reach the perfect balance.

You then write down the output that is displayed on the function generator. Verify it with a scope an then build the Joule Thief an put it in place on the Function Generator for a portable device.

-Altrez