Water is a Electret - and the wheel work of nature

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Hey IB
Was wondering, you said that one of the plates has many folds, does that mean that the folded plate stretched out is longer than the other plate?  The reason I ask was the how there was a polarity??  But if one plate truly has more surface area in the water, then that may be why. ;]  Ive seen electrets home made with wax and charged while heated and when cooled they always seem to regrow the charge when discharged, and fairly large charges. I wonder if you had just similar plates and very clean water, if it would hold a charge.  Someone emailed me an article on this concept.
I have to find that.

Mags

Yes one plate does have more surface area and thats helps sometimes to give a me it polarity and sometimes it completely backwards of what i think. Sometimes the big thin plate is positive and other times the thick small plate is positive. If you use the same size plates in the water you still get voltage, as to determine the positive and negative plates is a complete mystery to me. I've left these plates shorted out for week before and they seem to always bounce back in voltage, even when all the water had evaporated i could put more water in it and still see a bounce back in voltage.

Yes these cell can be charge up with high voltage. I've seen someone else with a similar idea of using water as a electret but to give it a permanent charge he froze the water. shown here http://www.oocities.com/mj_17870/waterelectret.html

I'm more concern with the natural currents in water thats formed by mother nature. The reason why the voltage is low don't make it any less of a electret. If you think about it the reason why the voltage is low is because the water gets spreaded out, so we get a diluted charge but it's still something.

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i have made an observation, regarding kelvins thunderstorm.

the water in the top container is neutral.
in that it has no freed electrons,
and it is not missing any electrons.



what if they had 2 separated water containers, on top.

and they positively ionized water,
from the lower right bucket,
into the upper right bucket.

and they pumped negatively ionized water,
from the lower left bucket,
into the upper left bucket.



that way,
neither stream of water would have to be broken up into droplets,
to prevent the 2 charge from shorting out.

if the 2 water streams do not have to be broken into droplets,
than more water could be poured per second,
to create more charge per second.



infact, a better design,
would be to have 2 containers of water.
one container sitting above the other.

the water in the lower container, could spin clockwise.
the water in the upper container, could spin counter-clockwise.

as long as one body of water,
is physically close to the other body of water,
electrostatic charge would be created,
to ionize the 2 bodies of water.


it would be far more surface area of water,
passing by far more surface area of other water,
per second,
than one drop at a time,
moving past one ring.

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my theory is this:



when water gets in/on/above the ground,
the ground-water becomes positively ionized.

because the sand and rock are largely made of oxygen atoms,
which are negative/paramagnetic.


the sand and rock, are more negative,
than the electrons are negative.

so the sand/rock win the sumo match,
and the electrons get pushed away from the ground.
and up into the atmosphere.



the electrons are attracted towards sunlights high frequency.
because the higher the frequency,
the less the electrons are impeded from moving towards a place.

so the electrons are pushed away from the ground,
and pulled upwards into the sky.


the result,
is that there is a LARGE amount,
of negatively ionized air moisture,
floating high above the ground.

which seems to be why shamans, mystics, and wise men, have been attracted to live on top of tall hills and mountains.

because tesla showed that negative ions,
have healthy effects on humans.


i think that the main reason,
why humans feel compelled to go to the beach for vacations,
is because there are large amounts of negative ions,
coming from the ocean.



but anyway.
the sky creates and maintaines negative air moisture,
and the ground creates positive ground-water.

and lightning bolts are a large number of electrons,
that are moving away from the negative ions in the sky,
and onto the positively ionized water on the ground.

because the ionized waters have built up,
to the point that the ground has become more positively ionized,
than the sky.

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by the way.

i think that the reason why a lightning bolt,
can have tens of thousands of amps,
is because the sky's water is always negatively ionized,
and the grounds water is always positively ionized.



where a wimhurst machine has very small amperage,
because its 2 wheels,
are always flipping their ionization.

the wimhursts ionization,
flips back and forth so quickly,
that a large number of electrons,
do not have enough time,
to move from point A to point B,
as amperage.



instead of moving from point A to point B,
as a large amount of amperage,
the electrons uselessly hover between point A and point B.

as non-amperage.



if you had a lord kelvins thunderstorm,
and you dumped sand or rocks into one of the 2 buckets,
than that would encourage the water in that bucket,
to stay positively ionized only.

though the electrode would have to be surrounded by the sand/rocks.

and the other buckets water,
would still be flipping,
between being positively ionized,
and being negatively ionized.

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if you wanted to create a source,
of negative ionization only:


1:
wrap a rock with copper foil.
(or a bunch of small rocks.)
(or a bunch of play sand, that doesn't have diamagnetic carbon in it)


2:
wrap the rock/copper with plastic wrap.


3:
wrap the rock/copper/plastic with a second layer of copper foil.



the rock is paramagnetic/negative.
so the first copper foil layer,
would be positively ionized.

the second copper foil layer,
would become negatively ionized.



because freed electrons from the air,
would want to get close to the positively ionized copper foil.

but the second copper foil layer,
is as close as the electrons could get.

so the second copper foil layer,
would have lots of extra electrons dwelling on it.



the plastic wrap electrically separates,
the first copper layer,
from the second copper lair.

so that both copper layers,
do not become positively ionized,
by the rock.



the rock is always paramagnetic.
so the first copper layer,
will always be positively ionized.

so the second copper layer,
will always be negatively ionized.



the more rock material,
the more paramagnetism,
the more positive ionization,
the more negative ionization.



the rock is always paramagnetic,
so the negative ionization will never flip,
from being negatively ionized,
to being positively ionized,
to being negatively ionized again.



in theory,
this would allow a wimhurst or a kelvins thunderstorm,
to have more amperage.

but i so love to think,
and i so hate to interact with the physical world,
that i will likely never try it.



i don't need the karma,
from one of you stealing it,
and killing others with it,
anyway.