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Magnet motor idea. "zipper" magnetmotor.

Started by Low-Q, February 22, 2011, 04:24:06 PM

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Low-Q

I made a very simplified design of the zipper-motor. The picture tells the story.
Any input are welcome :)

nightlife

 Sorry guys but once you close the loop, you end up with a single magnetic field. As a matter of fact, the closer you get to closing the loop, you will find that you lose more and more of the effect you are hoping for.

With magnets, you have to have a unbalanced equation which I have found to be impossible to produce unless a outside power source is introduced. The problem with using the outside source is that the movement created will not create enough of the outside sources energy to continue the movement by it's self. Some have claimed to have but none have been proven to work.

Liberty

Quote from: nightlife on March 03, 2011, 07:46:51 PM
Sorry guys but once you close the loop, you end up with a single magnetic field. As a matter of fact, the closer you get to closing the loop, you will find that you lose more and more of the effect you are hoping for.

With magnets, you have to have a unbalanced equation which I have found to be impossible to produce unless a outside power source is introduced. The problem with using the outside source is that the movement created will not create enough of the outside sources energy to continue the movement by it's self. Some have claimed to have but none have been proven to work.

This motor uses an outside movement source with an unbalanced equation.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obOezFhbO9s  It starts and runs quite well.
Liberty

"Converting Magnetic Force Into Motion"
Liberty Permanent Magnet Motor

lumen

Vidar,
I wonder if the gear teeth have any effect on the theory of operation. Consider if the rings you show were simply ring magnets, would the effect not be the same?

I have been testing the simulation below for any gain in the idea of magnets entering while separated, then exiting in a single row and as we know, magnets close together cause a stronger pull that may cancel any perceived gain. The shape of the magnets may be important as thinner magnets exiting in single file may not increase in pull when exiting.
The simulation takes several hours to run for every position so it will take some time. I have also reduced the idea into a simpler setup to measure the working principal and it seems to follow something close to this when using cylinder magnets.
Pull in of single spaced magnets is X1
Pull of stacked magnets on exit is X1.5
Gain of magnets separating is about X2
The simulation seems to indicate the gain (X3) could be about two times the losses (X1.5).

Low-Q

@lumen: Thanks for sharing your thaughts. Your drawing also proves it is quite simple to test this with "scrapyard" items and a few small magnets.

What we already know is that equal poles repel. That said, in the presence of a magnetic material, it will require less force to push equal poles together as proved by simulations and by pracical experiments. Because the magnetic field finds an easier path to close its own magnetism.

Further, the magnetic field will go from being spread equally in all direction for each magnet, into be aligned parallell, and angular to the movement direction as the magnets are being aligned as a pseudo solid magnet bar. Parallell magnetic fields which is angular to a magnetic object will not be attracted to it and would therfor escape the shield without drag. So it is VERY important that the array of magnets are pseudo solid - at least in the moment the magnets escapes the shield.

After a given distance from the magnetic material, the pseudo solid magnet bar will be forced to separate into descrete magnetic elements because the field wants to distribute the field in all directions again. So as long a magnet see the opportunity to escape from another magnet, it will do so, and force movement.

The question I have asked myself recently is whether or not the magnetic repulsion are radially to the magnet path when it turns in a circle, in order to repeat the cycle and close the mechanical loop.
If the force are radial, there will be no force to start rotation or movement, because a radial force will always be angular to the tangent of the circular path.

So I think it is at least worth trying to simulate this with "3D magnetic software" in order to come closer to the truth.

Vidar