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Joerg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging

Started by hartiberlin, March 03, 2011, 08:08:48 PM

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I have watched the video a couple of times and still am not sure what I’m looking at.

Not being able to understand German is frustrating also.

What I have done, is spend a couple of hours messing with an old Li ion battery from my phone.

It has been lying around the workshop for several years ‘for such a time as this’.

I checked to see if it still had any charge  …  and I was amazed to read 3.8 volts  …. despite having not been used for 3 years.

I removed the small charge control cct board, and then used a 12v 3 watt globe to discharge it so I could flatten it safely, but it’s charge held for 10-15 minutes dropping only .3 volts. I added another in parallel to try and hurry it up.

Obviously a 12v globe on 3 volts is pretty dim, but it took over an hour before the filaments had no glow at all. Then I put a dead short across it to flatten it properly (over lunch).

When I removed the short, the voltage was around .15volts, but started creeping up immediately  …  ending up at around 2.2 volts after half an hour.

I hooked up a couple of 650,000uF caps (yes 1.3Farad) and messed around with various combinations of magnets and no magnets  …  plus some smaller caps.

The caps would charge up to 1 â€" 1.2 volts fairly quickly, and when I left them hooked up for half an hour they reached 2.2 volts also. Removing the ion cell and shorting the caps and then starting again just repeated the process.

Sadly I haven’t seen any anomoly during the experiment, but would like to try several cells in series to try charging a battery.


Just one comment on the video  ...  if he was using six cells in series  ...  even if they had been discharged fully  ...  they quite likely would have crept up in value just like mine did  ...  and that could easily explain the 22 volts showing on the rh meter.




gauschor

Quote from: wattsup on March 08, 2011, 08:42:26 AMAlso, note that just before he shorts the battery, the voltage on the battery read 23.210 vdc. Then he shorted the battery showing 0.1545 vdc. Then when he removed the short the battery read 21.110 volts. This is a normal battery depletion but what bugs me is that he wants you to think there is .1545 vdc in the black boxes. This attacks his own credibility right away.

Quote from: wattsup on March 08, 2011, 08:42:26 AMThen we have the position of the on/off switch. It is not a momentary switch that you press for on and when released it goes off. There was no volt meter after the switch to show it is even activating anything so the switch could be always open and never even on the circuit. You see, when he charged the 1 farad capacitor for the second time, his hand went to the switch but he pulled it back because he knew it was already on. Big mistake again. If that switch was always on and the circuit through the magbat was always connected, then why did the magbat side not heat up after all that time being on. So the switch is maybe a fake also.

These are exactly the 2 points which are also unclear to me:

I assume that he wants to show that when he shortens the 25V batteries and they go down to 0.15V that there is no amperage, otherwise the thin short circuit wire would melt at this point already. In my view the same principle is shown here as if you are working with electrostatic potentials: voltage difference is available but no power. Therefore I think he has only got a potential difference of 22V.

Then the position of the switch. The switch obviously separates the circuit of the black flat batteries from the silvercoated ones: however I am actually not sure if he switches the circuit on or off. He just says he "switches".

(I assume that he switches the circuit on so that magnetized/silver coated accus do their polarizing action or something like that. In my view the black batteries are probably obsolete.)

neptune

@Wattsup . It is almost always hard to follow a new technology . But human nature , and the love of money may be easier to understand . This patent , if the claims are real ,is    
worth several million dollars . But an investor is going to want to see more than a written patent and a crappy video . He will want independent validation as a minimum . Why spend time and a lot of money starting something that is bound to end in tears? If we can answer that question , everything else will become easy .

gauschor

Ok, now that I have read some of his patents I can see his written statement that the source batteries can be discharged. Ah interesting also that he mentiones that you don't need to use deep-discharged Li-Io accus: "[0041] Furthermore it should be noted that also possible to use non-discharged accumulators". Now the conditioning process is not necessary anymore? - this would at least solve some explosive headache trouble.

Also I'm unclear about the magnetstripes or wires to form an electromagnet. In one of his sketches he has shown a magnet with North aligned to the + pole and South to the - pole longitudinal aligned to the shape of the battery. Or is it a simple long magnet stick? And does each Li-Io cell connectedin series (in his patent) have its own magnet or is it a long magnet stratched over all connected cells (with poles only on the outer ends?...

e2matrix

Just a couple notes.  Since I've used Li-Ion cells a lot and keep track of their power in my usage they are nothing like NiMh, NiCd or lead acid batteries.  It is normal that they will recover a lot of voltage from a high use event or even a short if you don't damage them too badly or blow them up. 
   
    Another thing about this patent is that unlike many things that have been investigated here this one seems simple.  It would seem so at least with just a battery, magnets and a capacitor.  So one would assume it would not be too difficult to at least notice some anomaly by playing around with these 3 components that would indicate there is really something to dig deeper into.  So far nothing.  I did stumble across a patent that sounded like a similar claim recently (forget what it was at the moment).  Unless something major is being withheld in the patent I would guess we'll find the effect before long if there is anything really there.  So at this point I'd be pushing to get in communication with this guy to feel out whether anything is missing in the patent.  Any German speaking members up for this?