The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[e2matrix]

This cracks me up. That people come on here tell a little about their device just to get attention and then hide back in the greed arena. I mean come on this is open source site. Why did you ever post anything here if you are going to get greedy and actually think the gov and big oil business is going to let you come in and make a billion dollars...hahah...So funny. Don't feel bad it's human nature to be greedy and hope to be rich right away...but for future generations....it's not a great idea...unless you actually think this is the time they will listen and let you release something that can put them and millions of dollars a day out of business... Good luck and wish you and your family the best...But if they come knocking, run and open source again (but it will be too late)......lol...this is some funny stuff.

Well actually Mavendex was invited here by someone on overunity after they saw something on his device on peswiki IIRC.  But I would agree that if this is real OU then getting a patent is the worst of ideas.  A review at Panacea will give you a whole lot of reasons why: http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/energysuppression.htm    And that's not even the best summary I've seen but it covers quite a bit.

[Magluvin]

Well, Mav has told us a while ago about patenting this.
Mav, Have you read the SAWS document from the US pat office? I would have to say that this route is the way most get suppressed. Heck, if Agenda 21 goes through, soon someday none of us will be able to own our own land let alone be rich or even middle class from inventions.

But anyway, Mav wasnt the only one building this. Where is everyone else? Doing the same thing?

I would build it, but I have too many things going on, on the bench at this time. But I do plan on it being a near future project, as it seems we have some confirmation that it works, to what ever extent.

If anyone does go for it, maybe be sure you have the mindset to work out the issues. Once someone does lay it all out for replication, then all the figuring is done and most anyone can have at it.

It will be possibly at least a year before a provisional pat is granted, if it ever is. I did one of these about 9 years ago. Cost $75 and covered for a year. Back then was just some months to get finalized and receive my pat. If you have submitted the application but is not yet granted, you can say Pat Pending. But that does not mean much till it is granted.

So there is plenty of time for someone with skills to get one going to a reasonable level and bust it out in this thread. Im not really sweating it. I am at the point that I KNOW trying to pat is a dead end street.

So dont fret. Build it if you can, and just be careful. This is not a pulse motor. ;]

I have had thoughts of different geometry. Ive said it before, but with the wrong ingredients.  The idea was to use a rod core with a pipe shell, and caps on the end to connect the core to the outer pipe shell.  But the pipe would have eddy's.  So my way can be done using ferro poxy. Make the core, shell and caps with it. I am getting stuff for this next week for my present project and will have plenty to work with.
Will need to make tube molds and such. The inner core will be more massive than the outer shell as to draw the primary flux in, and help keep the secondary flux in.

Mav, thanks for sharing and putting in a heck of a lot of work. ;] Good luck. ;]

Mags

[Magluvin]

Come to think about it, I believe the Tesla pat IS this device. Either someone owns the Tesla pat, or, as many have seen it, is it open source?  If no one owns it, is it for sale?   Im not sure on those things, but the thoughts come to mind.

One reason Im looking toward another geometry is ease of a rewind. Just open the cap of the tube and remove the inner core for rewind. And the primary is just wound on the outside of the tube, so thats simple. Im just getting burnt out on toroid winding and rewinding. lol.

My plexi source has many sizes of tube to make molds for the core materials. Then wax polish wax polish wax polish, and PVA spray and pour the mold. I read that epoxy with ferro powder is used to glue ferrite transformers together in order to make a good magnetic connection between parts. So maybe just some ferro fluid in the joints during testing and development for ease of disassembly, and no leaks. JB weld is magnetic, but not near what is good for us, but more metal can be added. Mu strips? ;]  Do they make Mu powder?  ;]

Anyway, those are my plans for approaching this one. Ive had a a lot of time to think about it. It just seems more logical. 1 core that encompasses the sec and wind the primary on the outside. I am willing to rewind that many many times. Pri or sec. ;]

I see the toaster or any other device as a crutch. There has to be a way to make it straight up. If a limiter is needed, then the design is not set up for 120v in, or 220v, where ever you may be. ;]

Im thinking that it is not that we need more winds on the primary to match the input voltage, but thinner wire, maybe only 1 or 2 sizes, maybe, while the sec needs larger current carrying abilities, and toss the toaster. ;] 

Mags

[Jack Noskills]

@AmericanMan31,

Simply put, I am asking for a verification I stumpled into by accident. If you have this bigger nanoperm toroid, just wound a toroidal coil on it. Then instead of using steel shell and another toroidal coil on top of it, you wound your primary on the outside of toroid so you got perpendicular coils. Use as much wire as you can to get high flux in nanoperm core. Next you connect your toaster/whatever on this primary. What happens in secondary ?

If there is usable power then some more tests could be done. One test could be to connect these two coils like this and see if it runs by itself:

    primary coil          C2       toroidal coil
--- ***********---||---*************----
|                                                               |
|                            C1                                |
|--------------------||------------------------

I am quessing with C2, it could work without it, or could be that this does not work at all. I am asking for experimentation as I am unable to test this myself, just thinking about different ideas here.

Another test could be to use a 50/60 Hz filter using a capacitor in parallel with the primary coil.

        secondary coil
        ***********
        -----------   
        -----------
    --- ***********------
    |   primary coil             |
    |                               |
    |   50 Hz filter, C          |
---|---------||----------------  L wire
                                          |
                                          R/fuse/lamp
                                          |
-------------------------------  N wire

When you connect primary with this filter on through your toaster/lamp or even short it (via small fuse) with N wire/ground, there is little or no current going out. But there would be magnetic field fluctuation in its all force (how big force, would it still depend on current going out ?) between this capacitor and coil. And if you can now tap into this fluctuation without affecting it then you can get all the power nanoperm core can give you at close to zero power usage in the primary. Again, I don't know if this works or not but it sounds simple enough to test it. For 50 Hz filter you would need for example L of 10.132 mH and C of 1000uF, but off course L comes from your primary and C needs to be tuned with that.
When I trashed one chinese AC/AC trafo there was a setup inside it that behaved just like this, capacitor was in series though. No switches, primary was always connected to mains. This is why those trafos get warm even if it does not power anything. When you connect something in the secondary this blocking condition is no more, lights go on but also meter starts to run.

I learned about this student from here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/55235866/Vladimir-Utkin-Free-Energy-1
It has good info about transformers too, actually it shows methods how to make asymmetric transformer, no back-EMF problems. There is also switchable induction that can be used to make a self runner. Yesterday I found his russian site and going through that now, 90+ chapters worth of information: http://ut27972.narod.ru/Book_2/00_Book_2_head.htm. Dont understand russian but luckily google does. Maybe there is an english site but haven't found it yet.

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

the Nicola Tesla patent 120 years ago which the Gabriel device look like a clone is purely BS ?!
The Tesla patent was not known to me when I built the device and if Tesla had a FE device then we would be using now right? then why not and why didn't anyone else try it till I did it, not saying Tesla wasn't right but in 120 years don't you think that what was done is kinda revolutionary since the a magnetic diode effect which wasn't described in Tesla patent is actually present here because of something I did. So no it may look like it but when you add tech to something it is no longer that thing in which is described.
Its kinda like a beaver in a pool god says what would you look like if I gave you a bill, well now thats a duck billed platypus not a beaver.

OK, sorry but did you read my previous post (About Tesla/Gabriel Device analogy) ? Why Tesla did not mention FE (What about, when he said: "a constant current at all load" ) generally in trafo when you put a load the current is not the same, no ?

Why we don't use it now, energy suppression, ask this at Rockefeller or Rotschild family LOL, try to sell your device in the market and tell me what the news after... (Have you hear about RomeroUK/Muller replication) he have posted a video and some info, after this he has literally disappeared...)

Tesla did not mention FE principle clearly, why ? Try to put a patent mentioning, overunity, free energy or perpetual motion, tell me the news after...

Sorry but for me, these two devices are two clone, adding some nanoperm core don't add some new "tech".
What I see: A primary, a shield, a secondary, an inner core... Phase difference and constant current at all load (FE) by proportioning different element like Tesla said, this what you have done, thank you for rediscovering this and your brillant work, but something new, I'am skeptic here...

Finally it's a good thing this technology is public domain, so no patent, no monopol and no suppression, and no money game again...

And the formulas stuff your device use some main stream science "effect", so formula can be an help, I hope I don't teach you something here, but you must use toaster ? Because you have not the correct ampere turns in your primary the whole device is saturated, and the voltage will be very low at the primary side (See ohm law... yeah again a "law"), I proposed to replace the toaster by a AC line reactor to avoid wasting energy (I suppose you know reactive load not consume energy... and it exist a formula again to determine the correct inductance value...) in the toaster, no one was responding about this...

So for now I think this is better to make my own research alone...

Regards,
Schubert.