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The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

Started by Feynman, March 22, 2011, 04:07:09 PM

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JouleSeeker

Quote from: SchubertReijiMaigo on August 24, 2011, 03:14:29 PM
1) 1.5mm^2 or 15 or 16 AWG
2) Not measured yet, I don't have scope... (read Tesla patent and his similar device).
3) Nor measure but rather a visual measurement (light bulb brilliance) if the input is off and output is bright or gloomy you have something abnormal (FE)...

Now the next step is increase output power...

Thank you for your frank and helpful answers, SRM.  If you lived closer, I would be happy to run over with my oscilloscope and meters and measure the phase differences (under different conditions) and the input and output power
(Actually, where do you live?  I live in Utah in the USA.)  I will feel a lot better when these important values are measured quantitatively.

Hope (Richard), I appreciate your enthusiasm for this Gabriel device -- which I share.
And Clanzers...  still eagerly waiting for your results!  and other replicators.  I have ordered components.
Exciting times...

Kator01

Hello SchubertReijiMaigo,

Number 10) is posing a problem:

Input-Lamp is in series

I never use lamps for these measurements because they are nonlinear in currentdraw.
I always use power-resitors, in this case I would use 2 identical 10-Ohm resistors.

Next you need a scope for measuring power-factor of input

Channel A - Probe directly to input terminal of primary coil
Channel B - Probe at the point between resistor and the other terminal of primary-coil
Mass of probe on the resistor-side to ground.

Where is a possible mistake ? You have to measure the ohm-resistance of the Input-Coil since it is in series with your lamp. So you have a voltage-divider ( coil-resitance and lamp-resistance) and it could be possible that your primary coil is converting current to heat thus resulting in a lower voltage-drop across your input-lamp in comparison to the voltage across the output-lamp. You have to measure the current in the primary and measure the voltage-drop across the lamp and only then do you know the true power being the sum of both lamp and coil.

Regards

Kator01

broli

Quote from: Kator01 on August 24, 2011, 09:07:58 PM
Hello SchubertReijiMaigo,

Number 10) is posing a problem:

Input-Lamp is in series

I never use lamps for these measurements because they are nonlinear in currentdraw.
I always use power-resitors, in this case I would use 2 identical 10-Ohm resistors.

Next you need a scope for measuring power-factor of input

Channel A - Probe directly to input terminal of primary coil
Channel B - Probe at the point between resistor and the other terminal of primary-coil
Mass of probe on the resistor-side to ground.

Where is a possible mistake ? You have to measure the ohm-resistance of the Input-Coil since it is in series with your lamp. So you have a voltage-divider ( coil-resitance and lamp-resistance) and it could be possible that your primary coil is converting current to heat thus resulting in a lower voltage-drop across your input-lamp in comparison to the voltage across the output-lamp. You have to measure the current in the primary and measure the voltage-drop across the lamp and only then do you know the true power being the sum of both lamp and coil.

Regards

Kator01

Not in particular, with a DSO you could measure source voltage and current across a shunt resistor, that will give you two phase shifted sine waves which you can multiply and determine the mean of giving you real power. No need to add up stuff or know the resistance of the coil (of course you need to know the shunt resistance to calculate current).

Cheap4All

Has anyone tried stacking two Nanoperms vertically in the secondary to see what effect this increased core has ? It may require some less windings in the primary ?

SchubertReijiMaigo

@JouleSeeker:
QuoteThank you for your frank and helpful answers, SRM.  If you lived closer, I would be happy to run over with my oscilloscope and meters and measure the phase differences (under different conditions) and the input and output power.
(Actually, where do you live?  I live in Utah in the USA.)  I will feel a lot better when these important values are measured quantitatively.

OK, yes me too, but unfortunately, I live rather in a very small town in France countryside...

@Kator01: Yeah I know it's a crude measurement, this is why I have posted with a bulb bright and the input bulb off, if the input bulb is dark, you have no or a very small current that flow in, that mean the impedance of the primary is very high like an unloaded conventional trafo !!! But output have something and not in the microwatts range... See ohms law about this, the primary is look like two "resistor in series" one is variable (the primary coil).

@Broli:
QuoteNot in particular, with a DSO you could measure source voltage and current across a shunt resistor, that will give you two phase shifted sine waves which you can multiply and determine the mean of giving you real power. No need to add up stuff or know the resistance of the coil (of course you need to know the shunt resistance to calculate current).

With this method can you measure ugly sine wave (harmonics) especially saturated trafos precisely ?

@ All: I have bought 2kg of 16 AWG wire, I have the intention to wind more turns as possible at secondary to see what happens.
Protocol of this experiment will be the same except an high voltage secondary...