The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[wayne49s]

Ya it measures true power.

That's good to know! I also further thought that if the meter did not consider inductance and just used a resistor to extract the current to calculate the power, that the error would be such that it would indicate more power used than actual (ie. PF is less than the assume 1). This means that the primary would show more power used than actual. The secondary is all resistive in your setup, so no need to question this reading. Therefore if there was any error in the primary measurement, it would mean actual power gain is more than indicated! If there is anything wrong with this conclusion, please comment.

Mav: I noticed the last schematic indicated turns for the coil, but in other place, it was mentioned in ft. Which is right?.. and there is a big difference from a 1:1 turn ratio which would mean a lot of flux leakage. Can you clarify?

[nul-points]

hi Feynman

thanks for the kind words posted on my thread recently!

it's a breath of fresh air to see your 'no-nonsense/'can-do' approach returning to the forum - we need more of this!

...just a few thoughts & suggestions relating to this project:-

1) as the toaster heats up, what effect does its
   resistance/current characteristics have on the system?
   (with & without an o/p load on system)?

2) the K-o-W meter measuring the sytsem o/p is designed to accept power at 120V AC from wall socket;
   so how does it respond to 120V from the toaster/transformer combo?
   (which is presumably not at all similar to the impedance of the utility supply)


here is a simple test to confirm meter & system characteristics:

A) plug K-o-W meter #2 into wall socket;
   plug 100W lamp into K-o-W #2
- what is K-o-W #2 RMS power reading?

B) plug K-o-W meter #1 into wall socket;
   plug same 100W lamp into K-o-W #1
- what is K-o-W #1 RMS power reading?

C) switch off K-o-W #1 at wall socket;
   plug 100W lamp back into K-o-W #2;
   connect K-o-W meter #2 up to toroid o/p;
   plug toaster/toroid into into K-o-W #1;
   plug K-o-W meter #1 into wall socket;
   switch on K-o-W #1 at wall socket

- what is K-o-W #1 RMS power reading?
- what is K-o-W #2 RMS power reading?

how soon could Mav tell us these 4 readings?


Thane heins is obviously aware of this system (he offered to write Mav's patent) - it would be good to contact Thane & ask him for his comments on the system


looking forward to seeing how this develops

all the best
np


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[Mavendex]

Hey Wayne,

I use feet of wire, then measure my ohms on the wire, as it stands now what I have on the secondary is 4.2 ohms of resistance and then I try and match that on the primary so I can get 120 volts or more hopefully more it doesn't always work out that way but its a good guesstimate. Like I said before Im no engineer just a tinker ling who is fascinated with how things work and trys to find good simple ways to make things work better.

So in your replication with the part you will be receiving from L&S 1000 feet of 16awg wire will fit perfectly in shell, if you want to use less wire you can always move to useing more insulation on your wire too fill the space.

As far as how the device works I think that Thanes Ideas are sound on this although we don't use 2 secondaries its just simplified down to 1 in Thanes model he uses 1 of the secondaries to transfer power to the second core and then extracts the energy here its pretty much the same its just layered so the primary is transferring power to the second core and then the bef is trapped in the secondary then all we do is extract the energy. Honestly I don't think it works any differently than Thanes model the biggest difference is that the secondary is getting the Full on flux of the primary vs. thanes model where its more spread out.

I should have this guy put back together by the weekend I was told that I should get a new killowatts out of the box incase mine have been damaged due to my experimentation. So I'll order those as well we can do some tests hopefully have a video up for you guys by the end of next week, depends on how much actual work I have to do at my job it ebbs and flows.

Mav

[Feynman]

Okay, this is promising.  I think the objections on the Kill-O-watt meter are not to the level that it would prevent me, personally, from attempting replication, especially if it is the higher-end Kill-O-Watt model which measures actual power.

The output power capacitor measurement thing is a good idea... but so are 60W light bulbs. I mean , if you can light 8 60W light bulbs at full brightness (480W) on the secondary, with 60W (120VAC at 0.5A) of input power consumption on the primary, that's an indication something interesting is happening.

I agree there need to be more 'scientific' measurements, but we've basically got to do the best we can with limited budgets and time etc.  Hopefully if we can get at least one working replication going of whatever we are observing here, then this will become easier -- to either confirm or disconfirm anomalous energetic phenomenon.  I ordered Nanoperm cores yesterday -- they'll probably ship next week.

@mavendex

Thanks for posting these pictures. Your craftsmanship is impressive.  It's going to be interesting when I post my replication because it's going to be 90% duct tape and superglue!

Anyway, I noticed that the outer steel core in these pictures has a large amount (2"-3"  aka 4.4cm -6.6cm) of steel cut out of the center.  Why is this?   Do you think this will effect the back-EMF canceling effect of the outer shell?  Would it be better to have the shell completely contain the primary?

Did your original device that you made before (with COP=8) have this break in the center of the outer steel toroidal primary?

Thanks,
Feynman

[Feynman]

hi Feynman

thanks for the kind words posted on my thread recently!

No problem, I'm just trying to get open-source OU!

it's a breath of fresh air to see your 'no-nonsense/'can-do' approach returning to the forum - we need more of this!

Thanks. I want someone to make something like Linux for overunity.  Like a base 'kernel' on which people can build tons of variations on devices, with full open source documentation in PDF.   So I'm just trying to propagate that idea, and it was encouraging to see you were thinking the same way by making a PDF.

1) as the toaster heats up, what effect does its
   resistance/current characteristics have on the system?
   (with & without an o/p load on system)?

I don't know about a toaster... but I know this:

When a light bulb starts from cold, it has very low resistance.  It can be as low as 16 Ohms!!  So when it starts up the 'kick' (ala Steven Mark) shoots across the tungsten carrying alot of 'impulse' (voltage, current, and whatever else EMF is -really- comprised of).  Then, as the light bulb starts to heat up , the resistance increases (and thus the current consumption decreases).  I think a 60W light bulb will climb up to the vicinity of 500 Ohms to 2K Ohms after it heats up.

It's possible a toaster has a similar temperature dependent effect, so we'll need to consider this during any sort of modeling or calculations unless the toaster resistance is experimentally derived.  I doubt it's fixed, (I think toaster has temp-dependent resistance), but I don't know for sure.  I'm just basing this on the behavior of light bulbs.

2) the K-o-W meter measuring the sytsem o/p is designed to accept power at 120V AC from wall socket;
   so how does it respond to 120V from the toaster/transformer combo?
   (which is presumably not at all similar to the impedance of the utility supply)

This is a good question.  My theoretical knowledge here is too shallow to answer . I'll leave that to someone else.  My solution to everything is to experimentally test it,  so to answer that question I'd probably scope the waveform loaded and unloaded and post the pictures -- lol.